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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2013, 10:11:57 pm »
Hmm  ::)  -  I paid $80 for two sets and I think $25 for express international mail?
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2013, 10:51:12 pm »
They only washers, it is not rocket science.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2013, 10:52:27 pm »
They only washers, it is not rocket science.
Did they machine them from scratch, or did you have a stock one in good condition to copy ?
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2013, 06:30:09 am »
They only washers, it is not rocket science.
Did they machine them from scratch, or did you have a stock one in good condition to copy ?

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2013, 07:26:27 am »
They only washers, it is not rocket science.

No definately not rocket science - problem is they take alot of stress and ideally should be hardened but one struggles to find someone that will do a small batch.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2013, 07:45:22 am »
No reason why these washers cant be made locally.

But I would insist on them using the right materials and heat treatment process.  Its pointless having the same problem in a few months time just to save a few bucks or some time.

So you need to find an engineering shop that has those capabilities. 

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That clutch basket tool is really neat!   
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2013, 07:59:31 am »
No reason why these washers cant be made locally.

But I would insist on them using the right materials and heat treatment process.  Its pointless having the same problem in a few months time just to save a few bucks or some time.

So you need to find an engineering shop that has those capabilities. 

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That clutch basket tool is really neat!   
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2013, 08:23:57 am »
Oh the other thing I did while 'in there' was carefully dress the ridges on the clutch baasket tangs with a fine file.  :thumleft:
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2013, 09:14:11 am »
The motor did a good job of catching those metal bits. Many 610 have had this problem and I have never read of a motor failure. They seem strong. Next time I won't worry too much if a grain of sand falls into the spark plug hole :) Took the basket to Basils engineering. Looks like they will be able to sort me out.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2013, 09:32:52 am »
The only reason the originals break is because they are too thin and the not radiused. Make them thicker and put a radius in and you will have no problems.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2013, 11:36:43 am »
The only reason is the originals break is because they are too thin and the not radiused. Make them thicker and put a radius in and you will have no problems.

I don't completely agree.  The existing washers are very soft and thus wear very fast, the fact that they end up paper thin shows that.  Any radius will soon be worn away so I don't think that would make a big difference.

The key issue is using the right material that can be treated to be wear resistant.

Although you dont want it so hard that the clutch plate wear's instead.  Which is why I like the US option. He reports that he's done 50,000k's without any new issues which is obviously good feedback.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2013, 01:00:03 pm »
The only reason is the originals break is because they are too thin and the not radiused. Make them thicker and put a radius in and you will have no problems.

I don't completely agree.  The existing washers are very soft and thus wear very fast, the fact that they end up paper thin shows that.  Any radius will soon be worn away so I don't think that would make a big difference.

The key issue is using the right material that can be treated to be wear resistant.

Although you dont want it so hard that the clutch plate wear's instead.  Which is why I like the US option. He reports that he's done 50,000k's without any new issues which is obviously good feedback.

I have done about 5,000 ks since i did mine and when I opened the clutch cover the other day to take a look there was not a mark on one of the washers, they looked the same as the day I fitted them.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2013, 01:44:55 pm »
The only reason is the originals break is because they are too thin and the not radiused. Make them thicker and put a radius in and you will have no problems.

I don't completely agree.  The existing washers are very soft and thus wear very fast, the fact that they end up paper thin shows that.  Any radius will soon be worn away so I don't think that would make a big difference.

The key issue is using the right material that can be treated to be wear resistant.

Although you dont want it so hard that the clutch plate wear's instead.  Which is why I like the US option. He reports that he's done 50,000k's without any new issues which is obviously good feedback.

I have done about 5,000 ks since i did mine and when I opened the clutch cover the other day to take a look there was not a mark on one of the washers, they looked the same as the day I fitted them.

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2013, 01:50:11 pm »
Question, how are the originals made? are they just punched out cups, or are they machined? that will give you a good indication of what they are made of / what is suitable to replace them 8)
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2013, 01:52:32 pm »
Question, how are the originals made? are they just punched out cups, or are they machined? that will give you a good indication of what they are made of / what is suitable to replace them 8)

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2013, 01:58:16 pm »
Question, how are the originals made? are they just punched out cups, or are they machined? that will give you a good indication of what they are made of / what is suitable to replace them 8)
I reckon they are pressed or punched ? No way I think they are machined (too thin).
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2013, 03:33:35 pm »
Might have my clutch back by tomorrow, here's hoping  :ricky:
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2013, 01:30:59 pm »
Glad to say my TE610 is running again  :ricky: Engineering shop made new washers out of EN8 steel. Will just keep an eye on them, easy to pick up any wear in oil changes.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2013, 02:27:19 pm »
look a bit skraal to me  ::)

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2013, 03:01:45 pm »
look a bit skraal to me  ::)

Looks good to me  ;)
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