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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2013, 03:02:47 pm »
Glad to say my TE610 is running again  :ricky: Engineering shop made new washers out of EN8 steel. Will just keep an eye on them, easy to pick up any wear in oil changes.

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2013, 03:12:58 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2013, 03:38:28 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2013, 03:44:32 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

Mine one, which is similar, has lasted just fine.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2013, 03:46:26 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts
Wat vra hulle om die engine te convert na 'n Honda toe?

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2013, 03:48:21 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts
Wat vra hulle om die engine te convert na 'n Honda toe?

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One would first need a frontal lobotomy  8)
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2013, 03:51:04 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

Mine one, which is similar, has lasted just fine.

It would be interesting to know the density/hardness of the original washers.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2013, 04:05:42 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

Mine one, which is similar, has lasted just fine.

It would be interesting to know the density/hardness of the original washers.

Density will tell you nothing, but get me the bits and can tell you hardness and chemical analysis 8)
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2013, 04:10:14 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

Mine one, which is similar, has lasted just fine.

It would be interesting to know the density/hardness of the original washers.

Density will tell you nothing, but get me the bits and can tell you hardness and chemical analysis 8)

I would also be interested to know, as would a lot of other people especially on Cafe Husky and Adv Rider.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2013, 04:14:12 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

What you guys all seem to missing is that if the washers are super duppa hard and they break the bits that end up in the gears will smash the gears. The OEM ones, as we have found out, do no damage to the gears when they break.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2013, 04:16:57 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts
Wat vra hulle om die engine te convert na 'n Honda toe?

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What I would not mind is the Honda clutch basket which has the rubber dampers fitted instead of the stupid springs and washers.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2013, 07:40:44 am »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

Mine one, which is similar, has lasted just fine.

It would be interesting to know the density/hardness of the original washers.

Density will tell you nothing, but get me the bits and can tell you hardness and chemical analysis 8)
I have a whole bag full of sorry looking cup washers !
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2013, 07:49:29 am »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

Mine one, which is similar, has lasted just fine.

It would be interesting to know the density/hardness of the original washers.

Density will tell you nothing, but get me the bits and can tell you hardness and chemical analysis 8)
I have a whole bag full of sorry looking cup washers !

If you get one to Groenie I will get it from him? 8)
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2013, 07:50:14 am »

What you guys all seem to missing is that if the washers are super duppa hard and they break the bits that end up in the gears will smash the gears. The OEM ones, as we have found out, do no damage to the gears when they break.

Good point!

All of that went through my mind when I originally did the whole job, but what convinced me was the posts on AdvRider and Cafe Husky of guys having no issues at all after long periods of using these parts.

I must admit the idea of metal bits floating around in the oil is not something I find appealing.  My instinct is to avoid that all together.  So I err on the side of using parts that are strong enough and hard enough not to wear or break at all.  That's not impossible.  And seems to have been accomplished.

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2013, 09:52:55 am »

What you guys all seem to missing is that if the washers are super duppa hard and they break the bits that end up in the gears will smash the gears. The OEM ones, as we have found out, do no damage to the gears when they break.

Good point!

All of that went through my mind when I originally did the whole job, but what convinced me was the posts on AdvRider and Cafe Husky of guys having no issues at all after long periods of using these parts.

I must admit the idea of metal bits floating around in the oil is not something I find appealing.  My instinct is to avoid that all together.  So I err on the side of using parts that are strong enough and hard enough not to wear or break at all.  That's not impossible.  And seems to have been accomplished.



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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #75 on: July 19, 2013, 08:53:52 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

Mine one, which is similar, has lasted just fine.

It would be interesting to know the density/hardness of the original washers.

Density will tell you nothing, but get me the bits and can tell you hardness and chemical analysis 8)
I have a whole bag full of sorry looking cup washers !

If you get one to Groenie I will get it from him? 8)
Will get one of the washers to him
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2013, 10:56:31 pm »
I'm glad to report a thread that started with a mechanical problem is starting to turn into a sweet ride ! Thanks to Alan B's headlight the TE sailed through the roadworthy this morning. Picked up a clutch cable from Blazes and the pull is much better ! Must say they made that cable just the right length, I tried a number of routes and ended up taking the cable underneath the handle bar clamp. Seems to work best on my bike.

Two things I will need doing in the near future : the boot between the carb and airbox has small cracks in it. Not all the way through yet but you can clearly see them, also the steering stem bearings is on the way out. I could feel the handling is not as it should be, if I gently turn the bars I can feel a slight notchiness a the point where the wheel points straight.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2013, 10:58:42 pm »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

Mine one, which is similar, has lasted just fine.

It would be interesting to know the density/hardness of the original washers.

Density will tell you nothing, but get me the bits and can tell you hardness and chemical analysis 8)
Welsh in your opinion would EN8 do the job ?
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2013, 06:11:08 am »
R760 for the labour and parts

Good deal if it lasts.

Mine one, which is similar, has lasted just fine.

It would be interesting to know the density/hardness of the original washers.

Density will tell you nothing, but get me the bits and can tell you hardness and chemical analysis 8)
Welsh in your opinion would EN8 do the job ?

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen and fixing other niggly bits
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2013, 08:00:51 am »
It is the word "hardenable" that may be critical. I understand that EN8 is a very hard carbon steel and may well do the job. I am not sure what effect, if any, machining would have on it but presume the two guys who make aftermarket washers and harden them afterwards see it as an added surety of sorts. The one guy, Dan, hardens and tempers the washers - I think Alan posted details of the process.

The other guy Luke states: "My custom washers are already in production. After careful consideration, I have several experts in the field of hardening of the material consulted and further processing. I picked one of the best materials for such loads. Original washers are beeing made of low carbon tool steel material (...Ive picked is DIN 20MnCr5) and then tempered on 30-32 HRC (mesured on super rockwell). Because of such surface loads i will not do tepmering, but cementation (surface hardness and core strenght). If you know the procedure, you know what i mean. Surface hardness will be aboult 65-70 HRC...that is special for wear resistance" I know that the one lot (Dan's) remain looking silver and the latter pitch black.
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