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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2013, 02:34:01 pm »
Ive been very fortunate --my One ----610Te --09 has now over 30,000km's on and only changed the cam chain a short while ago ---- Looked at the washers and all is good on them  ;D  Maybe just me --- I don't use the clutch hard --- But will get a set spare  this month --just in case ----

You should then order with sidetrack from Dan in USA - about $80 for two sets plus postage in small standard box.  :thumleft:

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2013, 08:21:51 pm »
All you need to know re them washers:

Looked again at some of the pics in this thread and does appear the washers can fail when still relatively thick and can wear in quite a straight line where they may crack. Just buy the washers from Dan. Drill out the old rivets with a drill press rather than grind them off.


http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/help-debris-found-in-my-engine-610-630-clutch-issues.16604/
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2013, 08:31:18 pm »
Ive been very fortunate --my One ----610Te --09 has now over 30,000km's on and only changed the cam chain a short while ago ---- Looked at the washers and all is good on them  ;D  Maybe just me --- I don't use the clutch hard --- But will get a set spare  this month --just in case ----

Isn't that a bit soon for a cam chain to be replaced???
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2013, 08:36:20 pm »
Ive been very fortunate --my One ----610Te --09 has now over 30,000km's on and only changed the cam chain a short while ago ---- Looked at the washers and all is good on them  ;D  Maybe just me --- I don't use the clutch hard --- But will get a set spare  this month --just in case ----

Isn't that a bit soon for a cam chain to be replaced???

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2013, 09:05:26 pm »
Wow! How much does one set you back?
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2013, 10:17:59 pm »
Wow! How much does one set you back?
If you do it yourself you will pay around R1000 which will include the chain and gaskets. Some also recommend to change the chain guides. On mine the chain started eating away at the reed valve. I checked my tensioner again tonight and it's only on 4 out.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2013, 10:31:21 pm »
Wow! How much does one set you back?
If you do it yourself you will pay around R1000 which will include the chain and gaskets. Some also recommend to change the chain guides. On mine the chain started eating away at the reed valve. I checked my tensioner again tonight and it's only on 4 out.

Did you do it yourself? Parts through Primrose?
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2013, 08:36:22 am »
Anyone got the link to the "how to check your cam chain tensioner" post on Cafe Husky?

All this talk about the subject makes me want to check mine, its not making a noise but I prefer pre-empting stuff rather than waiting for trouble.

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2013, 10:28:21 am »
Not difficult to check but really requires the removal of the exhaust for access. The CCT adjuster is on the left side of the engine down toward the bottom back side of the cylinder. I pull my exhaust when I check mine, but some don't but then really difficult. To check it pull the center bolt first, but be careful there is a spring behind it. Once the spring is out pull the bolts on either side of the adjuster and the the adjuster will slide out. Just count the clicks. Once it gets to 9 or 10 clicks its probably time to change the cam chain - I think there are 15 clicks in total. Reset the adjuster and reverse procedure and spring will reset tension when inserted. Many replace with a manual tensioner as it is surmised that the spring type can over tension the chain causing premature failure (often eating into the read valve  :eek7:). I am though not convinced at this stage.

A search on CH will reveal many threads I am sure. Here is one:

http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/cct-11-clicks-out-at-3k-miles.1614/page-2#post-27821



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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2013, 11:33:50 am »
I just had my local engineering shop make up the washers for me, using EN8 steel, I asked him to radius the corners and make then twice as thick as the originals. I also got him to make the rivets. I think the whole lot cost me R150.00 or something like that, I even used the same clutch cover gasket. Since then I have had no issues with the clutch. 
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2013, 10:22:42 pm »
I just had my local engineering shop make up the washers for me, using EN8 steel, I asked him to radius the corners and make then twice as thick as the originals. I also got him to make the rivets. I think the whole lot cost me R150.00 or something like that, I even used the same clutch cover gasket. Since then I have had no issues with the clutch. 
I was thinking that too, surely an egineering shop can do it chop chop if they have the measurements  :thumleft:
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2013, 12:12:41 am »
I got the cam chain and gasket from Blazes. I did not replace the sliders or check the rockers which I wish I did. My chain is presently on four clicks so it's sharp. It is possible to check the acct with the pipe on, did it last night.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2013, 12:14:27 am »
Clutch hub off, the washers are indeed worn. Some are very thin and have fragments missing.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2013, 02:50:59 am »
I just had my local engineering shop make up the washers for me, using EN8 steel, I asked him to radius the corners and make then twice as thick as the originals. I also got him to make the rivets. I think the whole lot cost me R150.00 or something like that, I even used the same clutch cover gasket. Since then I have had no issues with the clutch. 

While EN8 is through heat treated it remains machinable ... now if you then took it after machining and surface heat treated then we are talking. I believe this is what Dan does in USA.
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2013, 08:28:28 am »
If someone with a proper metal working/machining shop could make these washers locally it would probably be a lot cheaper and less of a pain in the butt than ordering from the states.

Although from Dan's reply to my mail I do think he makes a good product.  I liked the fact that it was both hardened (for wear resistance) and then tempered for toughness (so its not brittle).  The steel he uses looks superior to EN8 as well as far as I can tell - some kind of chomemoly vs medium carbon steel (although I'm not a metallurgist).

http://www.tatasteelnz.com/downloads/HighTens_AISI4140.pdf

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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2013, 09:23:16 pm »
Ok so I'm sure I have found my metal pieces origin. The clutch hub is off thanks to swart skaap's clutch basket tool. One of the cup washers is missing half a piece, and some have bits broken off. The bronze bushing looks fine. Gonna try my luck at a engineering shop tomorrow. I just know that some might not want to do a small job like this. Anyone recommendations for GP ?
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Re: Metal bits in oil screen
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2013, 09:29:09 pm »
Personally I would spend the R500 and buy the ones from Indy Unlimited/Dan - will be here within 10 days and will come regular mail.
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« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2013, 09:31:48 pm »
Personally I would spend the R500 and buy the ones from Indy Unlimited/Dan - will be here within 10 days and will come regular mail.
10 days might make it worthwhile !
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« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2013, 09:37:32 pm »
R750-00 plus could take up to 3 weeks, just got his pm. Would have to be bulk order, gonna try locally first.
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