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630 in SA ?
« on: August 08, 2013, 09:18:57 pm »
Anyone know how many were sold in SA ? I have never seen one come up secondhand. Also read they came with KYB forks vs the 610's Marzocchi's. Wonder why since the Shiver's feel damn fine to me  :dontknow:
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2013, 07:39:56 am »
I know of 3 TE630 and 2 SM630.
Not sure of the total sold, could be < 10.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 10:24:45 pm »
No they both have Marzocs  :3some:  The 610 ones though need some work as the later models have no lower compression adjusters in bottom fork legs. Can be retro-fitted. Superfoxi sorted mine nicely. Really not sure I would prefer the 630 - easier to service the 610 and proven engine. Also do not need twin zorsts!
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 07:55:24 am »
I think the 610 suspension standard is better than the 630.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 12:00:21 pm »
I think the 610 suspension standard is better than the 630.

My suspicion is they are the same 45mm upside down Marzocs but have never ridden a 630.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 12:07:54 pm »
No they both have Marzocs  :3some:  The 610 ones though need some work as the later models have no lower compression adjusters in bottom fork legs. Can be retro-fitted. Superfoxi sorted mine nicely. Really not sure I would prefer the 630 - easier to service the 610 and proven engine. Also do not need twin zorsts!

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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 12:10:11 pm »
you lucky - think from 2009 were not fitted.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 12:12:28 pm »
I have also never seen a 630 in the flesh.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 08:14:54 pm »
I read on ADVrider that the 610 had more suspension travel front and rear ?
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 08:59:07 pm »
I read on ADVrider that the 610 had more suspension travel front and rear ?

Think they are both 275mm front? Not sure about back.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2013, 09:21:03 pm »
I read on ADVrider that the 610 had more suspension travel front and rear ?

Think they are both 275mm front? Not sure about back.

You right from what I can gather - TE630 270 mm front TE 610 300mm front (both Marzocs)
Both models - rear Sachs are 320 mm travel.

I thought it was the SM630 that had less front travel.

Interesting - 30mm is a quite a lot.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2013, 09:38:32 pm »
Yes you are right, 630 has 30mm less front. And the standard forks leave a lot to be desired. They were actually quite hard to bottom (I tried many times in Mariasburg and such) and surprisingly composed on big hoops, however useless in damping quick hits, which made them quite annoying riding for example on Lesotho dirt roads, as they have lots of rocks embedded and when you ride them at speed (why else of course) the suspension was very harsh. I have ridden AlanB's 610 and it did not seem better at that - but the added travel was plus.

I have had mine set-up by Hilton Hayward, and quite frankly was very disappointed - he made them way to soft, so the bike was soft and diving as crazy yet they somehow remained horribly harsh on quick hits.

The second try was Conrad - Runner and he after lots of expletives done some modifications to the insides and now they are much more progressive and less harsh on quick hits.

That said - I've put WP from 690RR (the Dakar special) ones on my Tenere, and I may do similar to 630 later on.

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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2013, 09:50:24 pm »
And the main reason I went for 630 (except for its exclusivity value  :lol8:) was that it was based on proven 610, yet I believed it improved on their known weakness - the camshaft chain wear (not sure if the record supports this now, but mine is close to 20 000 km and so far OK). And being DOHC, it also feels significantly smoother and stronger in higher revs - the bottom feels better on 610.

I have picked 630 over KTM 690, as it felt like proper single, and not like gutless twin, which is what 690 felt like to me (probably due to it's idiotic gear ratios).

That said, out of box 630 is quite disappointing and the claimed power I believe is a lie. However with a bit of work (in my case Power-Up kit, that I got for free, Arrow pipes with racing ECU, JD Power Tuner and drilled airbox with EHS filter) it has more than enough power for the average dude like me.


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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2013, 10:08:48 pm »
And the main reason I went for 630 (except for its exclusivity value javascript:replaceText(' :lol8:', document.forms.postmodify.message);) was that it was based on proven 610, yet I believed it improved on their known weakness - the camshaft chain wear (not sure if the record supports this now, but mine is close to 20 000 km and so far OK). And being DOHC, it also feels significantly smoother and stronger in higher revs - the bottom feels better on 610.

I have picked 630 over KTM 690, as it felt like proper single, and not like gutless twin, which is what 690 felt like to me (probably due to it's idiotic gear ratios).

That said, out of box 630 is quite disappointing and the claimed power I believe is a lie. However with a bit of work (in my case Power-Up kit, that I got for free, Arrow pipes with racing ECU, JD Power Tuner and drilled airbox with EHS filter) it has more than enough power for the average dude like me.



Agree the biggest drawback on the 610 for me is how the power trails off quite dramaticlly at higher revs, it feels like an old school DR650 or XRL. Bit frustrating when you want to overtake in top gear. Coming from a CRF made it even worse, I hope the Leo Vince I have yet to fit will help somewhat. An uncorked 630 is on 50 rwhp from what I have seen which is very good
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2013, 10:26:32 pm »
Yes you are right, 630 has 30mm less front. And the standard forks leave a lot to be desired. They were actually quite hard to bottom (I tried many times in Mariasburg and such) and surprisingly composed on big hoops, however useless in damping quick hits, which made them quite annoying riding for example on Lesotho dirt roads, as they have lots of rocks embedded and when you ride them at speed (why else of course) the suspension was very harsh. I have ridden AlanB's 610 and it did not seem better at that - but the added travel was plus.

I have had mine set-up by Hilton Hayward, and quite frankly was very disappointed - he made them way to soft, so the bike was soft and diving as crazy yet they somehow remained horribly harsh on quick hits.

The second try was Conrad - Runner and he after lots of expletives done some modifications to the insides and now they are much more progressive and less harsh on quick hits.

That said - I've put WP from 690RR (the Dakar special) ones on my Tenere, and I may do similar to 630 later on.

Its amazing how different people see suspension.

I agree that the 630 front was a bit soft - I put it down to the BMW influence. BMW seem to think that suspension is there to make the rider feel comfortable, not make the bike handle properly, so their suspension is usually too soft! 

But I've never thought the 610 was harsh, in fact I've always liked the way it tracks true, and just goes where you want it to, even when you hit rocks and stuff at speed.  You can hit a gully or something that you didn't see and couldn't avoid in time and the bike just soaks it up and keeps going without any bad behaviour.

I hit a 40cm high square edge of an erosion gully carved across a dirt road, that I just didnt see in time (was getting a bit lazy towards the end of the ride) at about 120-130 on the Amageza last year.  The impact was so hard that I thought I might have broken the bike at first.  But I rode right through without loss of control or anything.  I stopped about 100m later when I realised the front tube had burst (it split open in a 20cm long tear).  That was the only drama, no damage except the tube - not many bikes would have been as forgiving IMO  :thumleft:

In Nambia when you got onto those endlessly corrugated roads, I just kept speeding up until I couldn't feel the corrugations anymore.  I hit a few  holes at speed then as well and the bike soaks it up without any fuss.   

In fact one thing I constantly like about my 610 is the way it handles, its the one outstanding thing about the bike for me. 


« Last Edit: August 11, 2013, 10:28:19 pm by alanB »
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2013, 10:56:45 pm »
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 11:05:31 pm »
Another vote for the Marzocchi's, I do not like stiff suspension. The Shivers offers a fairly comfy ride while still doing what proper suspension should. Most Jap bikes rattle your fillings out. Then again I'm only 80kg. The conventional Showa's on my DRZ and WP on the 525 was also quite good.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2013, 11:32:11 pm »
All right - let's agree to disagree then  ;). The true is that I have ridden 610 only for about 3km, so I may have got wrong impression. I also use the bike as adventure bike for a trip twice/three times a year so I may be looking for different character - harsh suspension tires me down and takes away the enjoyment. But with Conrad's mod its pretty good - I'm just spoiled from my KTM300, suspension of which is just perfect for me, and Tenere is also different bike with WP.

Just about the softness - the 630 stock was actually pretty hard - very difficult to bottom even with shorter travel and yes, good at keeping the chosen direction. However small rocks on middle speeds (40 - 80 kmh) were really annoying and tiring. Alan, when you ridden the 630 it was right after Hilton's softening job and you might remember me bitching no end about how bad it was.

Fast speed on corrugation I think anything can do as you basically fly over them - at least my 1150GSA fully loaded coming from Europe was fine, as long as I stayed over 80 kmh.

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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2013, 07:39:09 am »
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.

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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2013, 09:16:30 am »
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.

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