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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2013, 12:06:27 pm »
I must agree with Alan - I love the 610's handling, is just so composed and inspires confidence.

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Sounds great.
Don't want SideTrack to run out of "confidence" in September :) --or do you think that you will make it up that 4x4 track Jacques?

*edit* no, that track will be insane with 4 day's baggage. I certainly wont have the confidence on my CRF  ;)
I have a sneaky feeling that I might actually do be better on the 610  :eek7: No serious, on the CRF the shocks felt too stiff. Every single rock I hit the bike jumped off line and with the snappy throttle I was rarely in control. Same with my DRZ, I could ride that thing better offroad than either my 525 or CRF.
Well we could give it a shot.. I wouldn't mind testing the 14 tooth front sprocket.
Will certainly be an achievement; doing it with 4 days baggage + tools
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My bike is fairly scratch free, would like to keep it that way :) Hope I can still make this ride, the steering stem beatings is a major bummer. Finances is tight snd I would not like to go with the setup as is :/
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2013, 12:16:41 pm »
Is this Hilton? If it is it is interesting ... used to run them when he worked for them in Austria 2000-2008. Anyway he is not a WP agent here so may also play into the scenario ... in fact he is an agent for Marzocs  ;D along with Yacugar and Fox.

No it came off Adventure Rider http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885099

Shit I started reading this thread and so much dick swinging going on I got dizzy and could not finish it!  :lol8: Clearly that cowboy is punting his product above all else.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2013, 12:52:54 pm »


They make all their power high up in the rev range.


Indeed - you cannot "put around in 1st and 2nd gear" on the 690 ... the peaky engine and ridiculous close ratio box mitigate against it. This is one of the absolute beauties about the Husky ... being able to "putter" through the gnarly stuff.
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The 690 is a short stroke fast revving high power engine while the 610 is a long stroke torque monster. It's that long stroke that causes the cam chain problems in my opinion.
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And in my experience 630 is somewhere in between 610 and 690 covering nicely both worlds - enough pull low down to get through some stupid places I get myself into, while being quite smooth and powerful at 140-150 kmh (GPS) due to great wide ratio gearbox (compared to 690) and enough power in high revs (DOHC).

Just one more comment about 690 being gutless twin, as it may seem to implicate that 690 does not have power, which it definitely does. Back in Europe I have had the first Aprilia Tuono - the twin with 120 hp. And on some rides I swapped it for my mates GSXR1000 with something like 160 - 180hp. And while the GSXR was objectively much stronger and stupidly fast, compared to Tuono you did not realized it as it picked up speed very smoothly and stealthily. Tuono on the other hand pulled like train from get go and therefore subjectively gave you much stronger emotions throughout the rev range. So in terms of enjoyment/risk ratio Tuono was winning hands down for me as you did not have to go crazy fast and you still felt rush like you are launching in the space shuttle. GSXR felt like nothing is happening and then you check speedo and you doing 250 kmh.

And that is somehow how I felt riding 630 (Tuono) and 690 (GSXR) - the 690 revved quicker  but somehow I did not feel any oomph and noticed that I'm doing 150 only when checking the speedo.

So no 690 hate here  ;) - if Husky doesn't come up with some 610/630 successor I may end up buying one once my 630 dies. Hopefully they will put proper gearbox on it by that time - I'm already resigned that shitty forks will need some work.

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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2013, 12:55:15 pm »
Is this Hilton? If it is it is interesting ... used to run them when he worked for them in Austria 2000-2008. Anyway he is not a WP agent here so may also play into the scenario ... in fact he is an agent for Marzocs  ;D along with Yacugar and Fox.

No it came off Adventure Rider http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885099

Shit I started reading this thread and so much dick swinging going on I got dizzy and could not finish it!  :lol8: Clearly that cowboy is punting his product above all else.

The end of the day you can't compare OEM suspension to specialized after market stuff.  
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2013, 01:03:27 pm »
Ja and when guys are paying $150 000 for hiring WP forks for two weeks of Dakar then you must know that all things are not equal (admittedly those two noodles come with a support techie).  :3some:
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2013, 01:36:46 pm »
My bike is fairly scratch free, would like to keep it that way :) Hope I can still make this ride, the steering stem beatings is a major bummer. Finances is tight snd I would not like to go with the setup as is :/
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2013, 02:14:14 pm »
Ja and when guys are paying $150 000 for hiring WP forks for two weeks of Dakar then you must know that all things are not equal (admittedly those two noodles come with a support techie).  :3some:

No no you got that wrong they are Ohlins forks inside WP stanchions  >:D
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2013, 03:49:21 pm »
Ja ja ... not too far off the mark as part of the reason why some of the bottom end WP's are also considered rather dodge as they do not want to pay Ohlins the royalties for some internals that Ohlins own  :3some:
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2013, 04:10:05 pm »
Ja ja ... not too far off the mark as part of the reason why some of the bottom end WP's are also considered rather dodge as they do not want to pay Ohlins the royalties for some internals that Ohlins own  :3some:

That's why you get a technician when you lease the forks. KTM don't want you to know that they run Ohlins internals in the forks  :laughing4:
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2013, 05:38:44 pm »
Some lively debate in the Husky section for a change  :thumleft:

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So no 690 hate here  Wink - if Husky doesn't come up with some 610/630 successor I may end up buying one once my 630 dies. Hopefully they will put proper gearbox on it by that time - I'm already resigned that shitty forks will need some work.

Ja  I have to agree.  I don't have anything but respect for the 690.  Its got a great engine, but it doesn't have the 610's great match between the engine and the gearbox, nor I think its handling.  But its the only game in town at the moment and if I had to buy a new bike, that would be it.

I'm not as worried about horsepower figures and dyno charts.  My experience is that in offroad riding, the rider's ability is the single biggest limitation to going fast, unless you are just doing drags down a nice smooth road.  Not only that, too much horsepower just gets in the way sometimes - for eg try take that 700 2T Miaco up a difficult climb!  Or the Aprillia twin 550 for that matter!

What SHOULD HAVE happened is that the 630 should have been an unreserved improvement on the 610.  But it seemed they improved the engine's horsepower figures - at the expense of the bottom end - but down graded the suspension and handling slightly - this is typical BMW thinking IMO - their target market worry about engine horsepower and are oblivious, or even adverse, to whats necessary for riding off road - so proper suspension and handling gets neglected or downgraded and "softened". 

I hold the idiots in Munich completely responsible.

I'm starting to sound like 2SD, which is worrying, but I have lost a lot of the  respect I used to have for BMW over this sorry tale I'm afraid.

If it was up to me I would go for a bike that was lighter than a 610, with better handling and at least the bottom end tractability /gear box match of the 610.  I wouldn't be that worried about max horsepower figures to be honest, as long as the bike could cruise at 140 without revving the hell out of it, and have longish service intervals and high reliability.  That would be my spec to the designers.  A bike like that will go anywhere easily and keep its owners very happy IMO.

But the 610 is still one of the nicest offroad bikes I have ever ridden.  Its combination of handling, low end tractability, weight, speed, power etc  are all in the "Goldilocks range" - if only someone else would bloody realise this and build us a worthy successor!
 
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2013, 07:46:01 pm »

If it was up to me I would go for a bike that was lighter than a 610, with better handling and at least the bottom end tractability /gear box match of the 610.  I wouldn't be that worried about max horsepower figures to be honest, as long as the bike could cruise at 140 without revving the hell out of it, and have longish service intervals and high reliability.  That would be my spec to the designers.  A bike like that will go anywhere easily and keep its owners very happy IMO.

 

Ever ridden a KTM 525 ? That is damn close, 6th gears and incredible torque. That thing chugs up the gnarliest hills. Only thing is the service intervals and two oil filters ..... and three drain plugs  :biggrin: Really enjoyed mine.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2013, 09:20:02 am »

If it was up to me I would go for a bike that was lighter than a 610, with better handling and at least the bottom end tractability /gear box match of the 610.  I wouldn't be that worried about max horsepower figures to be honest, as long as the bike could cruise at 140 without revving the hell out of it, and have longish service intervals and high reliability.  That would be my spec to the designers.  A bike like that will go anywhere easily and keep its owners very happy IMO.

 

Ever ridden a KTM 525 ? That is damn close, 6th gears and incredible torque. That thing chugs up the gnarliest hills. Only thing is the service intervals and two oil filters ..... and three drain plugs  :biggrin: Really enjoyed mine.

The KTM 525 is a different beast altogether and cannot be compared to 610 or any other DS bike. The bike that I found the easiest to chug up hills on was a KX 500 and I won't be comparing that to my 610 any time soon  :biggrin:.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2013, 11:09:47 am »
or maybe a CRF230 mountain goat?  :lol8:
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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2013, 11:26:08 am »
or maybe a CRF230 mountain goat?

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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2013, 09:38:17 pm »
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2013, 09:45:35 pm »
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
I was about to say that given the fact that the 690 already exists, might mean the demise of the 610/630 altogether. But that might be wrong; KTM has all sorts of enduro bikes and this certainly hasn't prevented Husqvarna from producing their own, so I truly hope that they offer us a Husqvarna version of the pumpkin bike 690!!

Oh and the Terra was not a great seller, so reproducing that wont easily happen on Pierer's watch
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2013, 10:04:48 pm »
Loving the banter, impressions, agreements and disagreements... Like I've heard so many times on the forum... If you want 20 opinions ask 20 people..  :sip:
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2013, 07:55:46 am »
Loving the banter, impressions, agreements and disagreements... Like I've heard so many times on the forum... If you want 20 opinions ask 20 people..  :sip:
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« Last Edit: August 14, 2013, 10:22:47 am by sidetrack »
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #58 on: August 14, 2013, 10:20:07 am »
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
I was about to say that given the fact that the 690 already exists, might mean the demise of the 610/630 altogether. But that might be wrong; KTM has all sorts of enduro bikes and this certainly hasn't prevented Husqvarna from producing their own, so I truly hope that they offer us a Husqvarna version of the pumpkin bike 690!!

Oh and the Terra was not a great seller, so reproducing that wont easily happen on Pierer's watch
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We have already seen the demise of the 610/630 it is highly unlikely that it will resurrected.
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Re: 630 in SA ?
« Reply #59 on: August 14, 2013, 10:35:31 am »
Lets just hope with KTM's influence we will see a TE in the 690 direction and less like the 650 Terra.
I was about to say that given the fact that the 690 already exists, might mean the demise of the 610/630 altogether. But that might be wrong; KTM has all sorts of enduro bikes and this certainly hasn't prevented Husqvarna from producing their own, so I truly hope that they offer us a Husqvarna version of the pumpkin bike 690!!

Oh and the Terra was not a great seller, so reproducing that wont easily happen on Pierer's watch
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We have already seen the demise of the 610/630 it is highly unlikely that it will resurrected.
All depends what the future for Husqvarna will hold, some said cheap models made in India others that it will replace Husaberg and be enduro bikes only ? Let's hope there is some DS bikes planned for the future.
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