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Offline Crankshaft

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #60 on: October 29, 2013, 03:49:44 pm »
Shoe! Fellows, rustig, kalmeer en ontspan. :3some:

This is an forum (probably the best one), this is where like minded people come for advice or share experiences, good or bad...

Some off us like to vent a little as well, throw the proverbial toy from time to time...

In the oil saga, i suppose most of us (well, me anyway) find comfort from other posters, maby even some empathy, for being in the same boat... Not every single post need to be seriously debated, and a bit of light hearted humor really goes a long way.

I suppose most of us ( well, me at least) after posting, look forward to replies that offer a solution or at least an viable alternative to whatever caused you headace or heartace in the first place... Lol.

So yes, all of us are going to pay for our oil, what the dealers consider it's worth, nothing we can do about it, but now, being human, i suppose i feel better about it, since i now know that i did inquire and was unsuccessful in my search for any recomended alternative.

What i really really wanted to hear, is Wilddog member xyz, telling me that he brought in 500 liters of Castrol Power 1 Racing, 5w40, and sells it in 4 liter containers for R400...

Well maby next time... Lol





Manne, manne, manne, julle baklei verniet.  Ek het hierdie selfde probleem in Junie op die forum gehad en die ouens het my uitgehaal omdat ek gekla het oor die olie se prys wat 'n rip off is.  Daar was manne ook gewees wat gese het as jy 'n LC wil koop moet jy die kostes en maintenance kan betaal.  Maar soos ek oop probeer se het, dit gaan nie oor die diens of workmanship nie, dit gaan oor die feit dat BMW SA hulle klient 'n groot wortel gee en se hulle moet maar betaal.

Die beste van alles is, my quotes (verbal ongelukkig) wat ek gekry het, was goedkoper as wat die invoice was EN DONFORD se service pryse was duurder as AUTO ATLANTIC... Hoe verstaan jy dit.  Ek het selfs so ver gegaan om 'n klagte in te dien by BMW SA en Donford het my gekontak om te se dat hulle kan onder geen omstandighede sien hoe Auto Atlantic 'n goedkoper quote kan gee as hulle sin nie.  En weereens, geen probleem om vir 'n diens te betaal nie, dit net daai fokken mal prys van die olie...

Ek het ook vir Lube Marketing gebel.  Hulle het ook aan my bevestig dat dit net BMW is wat die 5W40 inbring direct van Castrol oorsee.

Hierdie is vrae wat 'n ou gaan moet vra vir hulle die 10de November wanneer hulle die LC dag het by Donford. 
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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #61 on: October 29, 2013, 05:35:22 pm »
Ja Crankshaft...

Om dit makliker te maak, kom ons vegeet van wat dit kos en die prys van olie:

Eintlik al wat ek wil/wou weet: Ek is ń "die hard" Motul fan, en glo dis die hond se ballas as dit by olie kom... Lol.
Wat presies verstaan julle meer tegniese honde onder "recomends" soos duidelik in die handleiding gedruk?
Beteken dit dat dit bloot ń voorstel is, of dat dit bmw se eerste keuse is, of dat dit absoluut die enigste olie is wat jy mag gebruik?  Onthou ek verwys net na die naam Castrol, nie die nr's en dinge nie.

Alle ander fietse wat ek al gehad het, het net vereis dat jy n olie gebruik wat aan n sekere spesifikasie  voldoen, ń JASO en of AP gradering.

Ek kan verstaan dat bmw miskien net hierdie olie in die fabriek insit en dus aanbeveel indien die fietse hier kom en aangevul moet raak, dat handelaars nie verskillende olies meng nie?

Miskien kan ń BMW tegnikus dalk hiermee help...

Ek het al vrae gevra maar kon nie ń konkrete antwoord by die handelaar kry nie?
Dis presies so iets wat sal veroorsaak dat klein apie sy ma byt...of spyker!!!
 

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #62 on: October 29, 2013, 05:40:29 pm »
Ons gooi daai vraag in die hoed alvorens 'n klein apie iets verskrikliks aanvang  :imaposer:
 

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #63 on: October 30, 2013, 10:12:55 am »
Now that is both a solution and a nice challenge for our forum vendors! Who's bringing the oil at competitive prices so loyal dogs can be anointed?


PS:  :) - just so we all know not to take it too serious  ;)

I strongly recommended to Castrol SA to add the 5W40 Power 1 Racing to their program.
Maybe some of you phone them and do the same.
Especially since the day will come when you want to service your bike yourself and maybe you don't want to buy some riffraff oil from a shit stirrer like me :lol8:

Unfortunately the market still shows reluctance towards the newer lower viscosity oil types and plenty of people still believe they must use some 20W50 bitumen in their engines just because we live in Africa and it's pretty warm outside ::)
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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2013, 04:03:40 pm »

On the 5th Oct my LC was serviced and i have just noticed that i have been charged R1088.60 for four units of oil (POWER 1RACIN ) atR272.15 per unit without vat

I will most defiantly call the P E dealer on Monday 
 

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2013, 11:22:08 pm »
Price of oil is discussed on uk gser and there the pay
17/litre
I read on the bottle that is was jointly developed by BMW and Castrol
 

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2014, 10:16:08 am »
The wife's LC just received the 1000km service.  Total bill was R1200.  Oil about R400.  ???
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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #67 on: January 09, 2014, 10:20:17 am »
That's really good news, I am creeping up in the 10k service.  :(

Not sure what changed though, all relevant indicators dictate an increase.

Maybe BMW just dropped the margin  >:D
 

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2014, 09:04:14 am »
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40
 

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2014, 07:59:58 am »
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

Good to know,  thanks.  Will check.  If this is the case in my wife's bike,  it basically goes to a life long warranty on the engine.
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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2014, 08:43:38 am »
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

So what was the story then with BMW telling us to ONLY use Castrol Power 1 Racing 5W40 else your clutch may fail and your warranty will be null and void. Now the dealers nullify your warranty by using ActEvo ???
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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2014, 08:46:28 am »
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

So what was the story then with BMW telling us to ONLY use Castrol Power 1 Racing 5W40 else your clutch may fail and your warranty will be null and void. Now the dealers nullify your warranty by using ActEvo ???

The oil they used for my wife's LC was Castrol Power 1 Racing.  I am not sure which viscosity though.

Did BMW actually say that LeCap?  Or was it a dealer or two?  I am not tech expert, but I would be very surprised if the recommended 5W part of the viscosity was a world wide recommendation.
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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2014, 09:02:02 am »
Nope no dropped margins,

Some dealers use 10W40(SUBSTANTIALLY CHEAPER @R80/lt) as apposed to the prescribed 5W40

So what was the story then with BMW telling us to ONLY use Castrol Power 1 Racing 5W40 else your clutch may fail and your warranty will be null and void. Now the dealers nullify your warranty by using ActEvo ???

The oil they used for my wife's LC was Castrol Power 1 Racing.  I am not sure which viscosity though.

Did BMW actually say that LeCap?  Or was it a dealer or two?  I am not tech expert, but I would be very surprised if the recommended 5W part of the viscosity was a world wide recommendation.

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.
 

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2014, 09:02:41 am »
I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.
 

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2014, 10:08:16 am »

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.

Jip.  Checked our owner's manual already.  Also saw the 5W-40 recommended spec and I was surprised that the viscosity rating spec is not a sliding scale, coupled to average ambient temperatures, as I normally see in owner's manuals.  

I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.

This is why I often get into trouble here. One guy making a statement that some, unnamed dealers use 10W instead of 5W does not mean that BMW SA have decided that 10W is suddenly okay.  

Anyway, according to our invoice, Castrol Power 1 was used.  It doesn't state which viscosity.  Will have a chat with them next time I go past there.

LeCap, help me out here (not BMW or LC related, just in general).  I am not sure if my understanding is correct.  The "w" figure in the viscosity rates the viscosity of the oil when cold.  A 5W may therefore be great in SA, but useless on the Arrtic, or a 5W may be great for the Arctic, but in SA a 20W may well be fine?  Is this incorrect thinking? 
« Last Edit: January 13, 2014, 10:16:28 am by AMZ »
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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2014, 10:24:13 am »
AMZ, as I suggested earlier, maybe the oil viscosity is unchanged and the price reduced :-)
 

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #76 on: January 13, 2014, 10:52:19 am »
AMZ, as I suggested earlier, maybe the oil viscosity is unchanged and the price reduced :-)

Jip.  Possible.  Will drop by the dealer sometime this week and report back.  If it is good news, I will whisper so as not to get into trouble with the Anti-BMW Choir Master.   :ricky:
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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #77 on: January 13, 2014, 01:02:03 pm »

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.

Jip.  Checked our owner's manual already.  Also saw the 5W-40 recommended spec and I was surprised that the viscosity rating spec is not a sliding scale, coupled to average ambient temperatures, as I normally see in owner's manuals.  

I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.

This is why I often get into trouble here. One guy making a statement that some, unnamed dealers use 10W instead of 5W does not mean that BMW SA have decided that 10W is suddenly okay.  

Anyway, according to our invoice, Castrol Power 1 was used.  It doesn't state which viscosity.  Will have a chat with them next time I go past there.

LeCap, help me out here (not BMW or LC related, just in general).  I am not sure if my understanding is correct.  The "w" figure in the viscosity rates the viscosity of the oil when cold.  A 5W may therefore be great in SA, but useless on the Arrtic, or a 5W may be great for the Arctic, but in SA a 20W may well be fine?  Is this incorrect thinking? 

10W should be fine for warmer climates

for the KTM 1190, it's 5W below 0degree and 10W above

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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #78 on: January 13, 2014, 07:14:28 pm »

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.

Jip.  Checked our owner's manual already.  Also saw the 5W-40 recommended spec and I was surprised that the viscosity rating spec is not a sliding scale, coupled to average ambient temperatures, as I normally see in owner's manuals.  

I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.

This is why I often get into trouble here. One guy making a statement that some, unnamed dealers use 10W instead of 5W does not mean that BMW SA have decided that 10W is suddenly okay.  

Anyway, according to our invoice, Castrol Power 1 was used.  It doesn't state which viscosity.  Will have a chat with them next time I go past there.

LeCap, help me out here (not BMW or LC related, just in general).  I am not sure if my understanding is correct.  The "w" figure in the viscosity rates the viscosity of the oil when cold.  A 5W may therefore be great in SA, but useless on the Arrtic, or a 5W may be great for the Arctic, but in SA a 20W may well be fine?  Is this incorrect thinking? 

10W should be fine for warmer climates

for the KTM 1190, it's 5W below 0degree and 10W above

Ja.  It is how I understand it as well.
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Re: BMW engin oil
« Reply #79 on: January 13, 2014, 10:12:30 pm »

This is what is stated in the owners manual AMZ, it would indeed appears as if the 5 W 40 oil is recommended by BMW.

Jip.  Checked our owner's manual already.  Also saw the 5W-40 recommended spec and I was surprised that the viscosity rating spec is not a sliding scale, coupled to average ambient temperatures, as I normally see in owner's manuals.  

I think in this case BMW have been using and charging for the more expensive oil and when questioned the answer was as per Le Cap that the new engine and gearbox on the K50 cannot use any other oil.

Either way, I would be curious to know why the change from 5W to 10W is suddenly OK? A lot of us have been paying for R1000 oil changes that may not be required?

AMZ, I am still curious to find out what explanantion you get re your wife's bike.

This is why I often get into trouble here. One guy making a statement that some, unnamed dealers use 10W instead of 5W does not mean that BMW SA have decided that 10W is suddenly okay.  

Anyway, according to our invoice, Castrol Power 1 was used.  It doesn't state which viscosity.  Will have a chat with them next time I go past there.

LeCap, help me out here (not BMW or LC related, just in general).  I am not sure if my understanding is correct.  The "w" figure in the viscosity rates the viscosity of the oil when cold.  A 5W may therefore be great in SA, but useless on the Arrtic, or a 5W may be great for the Arctic, but in SA a 20W may well be fine?  Is this incorrect thinking? 

This one guy making a statement is as
Follows:
Owner's manual recommends 5W 40 Castrol Power 1 Racing
On my trip up to GP in December I stopped at SOVEREIGN BMW Bloemfontein who sells
Castrol Power 1 Racing 10W40 which they use in the K50 Gs's
So as I was on 5 W40 I declined.
Next stop was Bavarian Bmw Centurion who sells and used also the 10W40
Finally got Castrol Power1 Racing at R179/liter at Auto Alpina, Boksburg