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How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« on: September 17, 2013, 08:51:32 am »
So, we have to supply 20 motorcycles to the African market, but, they can not be your Japanese, Chinese, or any other bikes like BMW and KTM's. Therefore, the best I can think of at present, is the Royal Enfield. Now, the bike spec is as follows. It must be 175cc, able to carry a passenger and must be able to ride in sand. We think 175cc in sand with pillion is far too small, so RE it should be.

Have any of you guys got any experience with these bikes? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2013, 09:05:24 am »
I have no personal experience of Royal Enfield, but they must be very competent bikes seeing where people take them. See for instance http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=134185.0
 
However, they do not seem to make 175cc bikes, only 500cc single cylinder. see www.royalenfield.co.za

I can't even suggest where you would find bikes meeting these criteria. Puzey... - can it be argued that they are SA made??
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2013, 09:19:42 am »
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2013, 09:31:16 am »
Thanks Guys.

Jonway and Puzey are both disqualified as they are Chinese and SA built respectively.

I know RE doesn't built a 175cc, but to be honest, where would one get a 175cc that can pillion AND do desert riding...? That's why we are looking at RE.
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2013, 09:36:02 am »
If you can go Indian then Bajaj is the brand I'd go for.  They're pretty good bikes.  Enfields are long on looks but short on reliability.
 

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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2013, 09:40:23 am »
Ural makes a 175cc and it survives Mongolia and places like that.
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2013, 09:40:52 am »
Who is the African Market?

If you go to East Africa and West Africa, you will not find an Enfield there, too expensive to maintain.
They have mainly the chinese types bikes there, where every second oke can fix it and has tons of spares.

In India, a RE 350 will set you back R9 000.00 to purchase, then you still need to ship. IMHO not a good option for Africa.
But that depends on who the market is?

Even in India they bring in the cheap Chinese stuff, the pics below is at our office in Mumbai.
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2013, 09:42:18 am »
Spain, Italy, India?
India - Bajaj - http://www.jonway.co.za/
 

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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2013, 09:45:24 am »
What is this market you're supplying?

I would go for Yamaha DT175. Light, reliable, faster than you think, spares available, easy in sand, and because it's 2 stroke it should have enough power for 2 up.

http://www.linexyamaha.co.za/index.php?nav=category&category_child=subcategory&category_id=2&subcategory_id=10&subsubcategory_child=product&subsubcategory_id=56&view=1400


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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2013, 09:47:23 am »
What is this market you're supplying?

I would go for Yamaha DT175. Light, reliable, faster than you think, spares available, easy in sand, and because it's 2 stroke it should have enough power for 2 up.





Possibly the Yamaha TW200, but Japanese also excluded?  Does this customer want to suffer?
  
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2013, 09:52:18 am »
Aah, just saw that Japanese is excluded.  So drop my DT175 suggestion. I still think if you want up to 175 that would be your best bet though.

Like AMZ said. Does this customer want to suffer.  Why no Japanese? Do they have a team of mechanics that need created jobs or something?


 

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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2013, 10:01:39 am »
Gents, the countries excluded, not by us, but by the end user are as follows:

ALL Japanese bikes
ALL Chinese bikes
All European bikes for that matter.
URAL also disqualified as the countries they originate from are all disqualified.
We are suggesting a 500cc to the end user as 175cc is not much, especially if all the above countries are disqualified.
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2013, 10:03:45 am »
Would Taiwanese or Korean work? They make some decent bikes.

A royal enfield sounds like a lot of hassle.

 

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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2013, 10:14:06 am »
It's all about politics and 'uplifting' the developing countries. Very frustrating for us too, but that's the criteria
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2013, 10:19:32 am »
So you are left with Australian or American...

Harley...
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Enfields are too heavy, cumbersom, and underpowered for what you want.
Definately not a Africa working bike.
Tell your client he needs to re assess his constraints if he wants a successful project...
If he doesn't I would walk away - the reputation that will get blasted will be yours.

p.s. Do the Hondas made in Brazil count?
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2013, 10:20:13 am »
It's all about politics and 'uplifting' the developing countries. Very frustrating for us too, but that's the criteria
The countries where the Ural comes from surely needs some upliftment. :deal:
If Africa can get their supply of AK47's from there why not their bikes?
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2013, 10:22:58 am »
It's all about politics and 'uplifting' the developing countries. Very frustrating for us too, but that's the criteria
The countries where the Ural comes from surely needs some upliftment. :deal:
If Africa can get their supply of AK47's from there why not their bikes?

I hear you. I am a big Ural fan, but Russia is discounted. Brazil is discounted.
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2013, 10:27:12 am »
It's all about politics and 'uplifting' the developing countries. Very frustrating for us too, but that's the criteria
The countries where the Ural comes from surely needs some upliftment. :deal:
If Africa can get their supply of AK47's from there why not their bikes?

I hear you. I am a big Ural fan, but Russia is discounted. Brazil is discounted.
I think your'e slightly stuffed unless you give them those bicycles with a little motor
built in, but i guess it is also built in the land of China :eek7:
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2013, 10:29:17 am »
Unfortunately we can't walk away as this is only a small part of a massive quote worth 100's of millions.
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Re: How capable is a Royal Enfield...?
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2013, 10:39:44 am »
Try this:
Italika made in Mexico.
Motomel made in Argentina.
Bera Motorcycles made in Venezuela.

And the one I like the most is the AJP 200 Enduro from Portugal. :deal:
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