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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #100 on: October 21, 2013, 02:26:03 pm »
The rock on post might work for some, but not nessesarily for the land owner. Many a time a group of bikes are stretched out over several km with 30 minutes between first and last bike.


Maybe with the BMW club, but not with the people I ride with.......



As with every thread just a matter of time before some poepol makes it a BMW thing  :lamer:
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #101 on: October 21, 2013, 02:31:27 pm »
The problem is you dont know that you dont know. Put a spring on a gate and it can only work in one direction and by law a gate should be able to open in both directions. Nobody can simply put up a cattle grid, even if you could afford the R50k cost each. Should there be an accident at a cattlegrid you put up unlawfully, you will be sued to hell and back.
Gates have been with us for almost a century, so why do we suddenly have to replace them simply because some are too ignorant close them. Like the guy said, either close the farkin gates or we lock them. Simple.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 02:35:20 pm by Bie »
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #102 on: October 21, 2013, 02:34:23 pm »
In the end, just close the gate behind you, try it just once, it works  :thumleft:


Yes definitely not rocket science. :thumleft:

 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #103 on: October 21, 2013, 02:36:54 pm »
The problem is you dont know that you dont know. Put a spring on a gate and it can only work in one direction and by law a gate should be able to open in both directions. Nobody can simply put up a cattle grid, even if you could afford the R50k cost each. Should there be an accident at a cattlegrid you put up unlawfully, you will be sued to hell and back.
Gates have been with us for almost a century, so why do we suddenly have to replace them simply because some are too ignorant close them. Like the guy said, either close the farkin gares or we lock them. Simple.

Seems some do not grasp how simple this is Bie, they would rather have the farmer look for a solution instead of just closing a simple gate.
Maybe ignorant, arrogant, lazy or just plain fucking stupid, who knows.

Shit like this should not even be discussed, it should just be done.
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #104 on: October 21, 2013, 02:40:25 pm »
This has become worse than the problem with toilet seat being left up after a man has used the toilet. You know that if you don't put it down again your in trouble   :imaposer:

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #105 on: October 21, 2013, 02:43:50 pm »
Fok maar julle kan aangaan!
Hou op moan en doen iets!

So, who's name is on the list to donate moola to have signs made up.
Once made we can all have a good excuse to go ride our favorite routes and put them up where needed.
Something like below. (Wording might be kak so any suggestions welcome)


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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #106 on: October 21, 2013, 02:44:13 pm »
Shit like this should not even be discussed, it should just be done.
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #107 on: October 21, 2013, 02:44:54 pm »
Like the guy said, either close the farkin gates or we lock them. Simple.

the thing is the guy that is ignorant enough to not close the gate will also be the type of person that will just break the lock open

the problem needs to be fixed for the common denominator - that being the type of person that dont care about someone else and dont care about your property

unfortunately there are lots of people like that in the world

 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #108 on: October 21, 2013, 02:45:04 pm »
The rock on post might work for some, but not nessesarily for the land owner. Many a time a group of bikes are stretched out over several km with 30 minutes between first and last bike.


Maybe with the BMW club, but not with the people I ride with.......



Funny you mention them. The centurion club has a rule that the second person (the one behind the ride leader) stop at every turn-off and wait there until all have passed and fall in before the sweeper again.  Not that it always work but at least he will have to wait at the gate for the sweeper before closing.
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #109 on: October 21, 2013, 02:45:39 pm »
Fok maar julle kan aangaan!
Hou op moan en doen iets!

So, who's name is on the list to donate moola to have signs made up.
Once made we can all have a good excuse to go ride our favorite routes and put them up where needed.
Something like below. (Wording might be kak so any suggestions welcome)


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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #110 on: October 21, 2013, 02:47:47 pm »
Like the guy said, either close the farkin gates or we lock them. Simple.

the thing is the guy that is ignorant enough to not close the gate will also be the type of person that will just break the lock open

the problem needs to be fixed for the common denominator - that being the type of person that dont care about someone else and dont care about your property

unfortunately there are lots of people like that in the world



Spoon-feeding idiots, that is what this boils down to.

Just shoot the fucker who breaks the lock, allow his loved ones to put a cross and flowers at the gate, the next lock breaker might think twice.
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #111 on: October 21, 2013, 02:56:56 pm »
The problem is you dont know that you dont know. Put a spring on a gate and it can only work in one direction and by law a gate should be able to open in both directions. Nobody can simply put up a cattle grid, even if you could afford the R50k cost each. Should there be an accident at a cattlegrid you put up unlawfully, you will be sued to hell and back.
Gates have been with us for almost a century, so why do we suddenly have to replace them simply because some are too ignorant close them. Like the guy said, either close the farkin gares or we lock them. Simple.

Seems some do not grasp how simple this is Bie, they would rather have the farmer look for a solution instead of just closing a simple gate.
Maybe ignorant, arrogant, lazy or just plain fucking stupid, who knows.

Shit like this should not even be discussed, it should just be done.

I am with Fuzzy here. None of us ever leave a gate open that was closed. Easy to say close the gate if it was closed, etc.  But still the gates are left open.
Still the farmers get frustrated and blame all bikers and start locking gates etc.

I don't think it is bikers doing so on purpose.  Most likely just by accident or in confusion.

First in last out works for small groups or when riding close together.
Rock on the pole works for riders further apart and groups that know each other or the rule.

How difficult is it for a farmer to put a sign on his gate to keep it closed. It will cut out most of the confusion and make his life easier.

Suggestion:
Maybe a WD sponsored or made sign.
WD can sponsor signs for some or groups can purchase signs before a trip and hang them on gates.
Just a simple double pate sign that hangs on one of the wires. Flip one plate over and both sides read "please close gate". Flip it back and both sides read please leave gate open.
The first guy reaching the gate can hang a sign on the gate and leave it there as a present for the farmer.
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #112 on: October 21, 2013, 02:58:47 pm »
This thread has shown who has common sense and who has to argue to prove he has none... :sip: :peepwall:
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #113 on: October 21, 2013, 03:00:01 pm »
Fok maar julle kan aangaan!
Hou op moan en doen iets!

So, who's name is on the list to donate moola to have signs made up.
Once made we can all have a good excuse to go ride our favorite routes and put them up where needed.
Something like below. (Wording might be kak so any suggestions welcome)


Still doesn't solve the problem when the last guy arrives at the gate and don't know if the gate was left open or opened by the first guy.
Many times the first guy don't want to wait for the last or don't want to ride in the dust.

 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #114 on: October 21, 2013, 03:02:27 pm »
Fok maar julle kan aangaan!
Hou op moan en doen iets!

So, who's name is on the list to donate moola to have signs made up.
Once made we can all have a good excuse to go ride our favorite routes and put them up where needed.
Something like below. (Wording might be kak so any suggestions welcome)


Still doesn't solve the problem when the last guy arrives at the gate and don't know if the gate was left open or opened by the first guy.
Many times the first guy don't want to wait for the last or don't want to ride in the dust.


The first guy should always open and close after the last guy...standard practice.
But I like your idea of a double flippable sign which the farmer can use as needed.


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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #115 on: October 21, 2013, 03:03:33 pm »
This scenario I have seen happen often:

The first guy arrives at the gate and open it while the second one is just behind him and sees him open it.
The second guy wait for the third and tell him the gate was closed.
Then a bunch of riders arrive, the second one tells the third one and take off
The rest of the bunch take off and the last one arrive not knowing if the gate was open or closed.



Similar situation often happen at turn-offs and why fellow riders get lost along the way.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2013, 03:04:46 pm by Sláinte Mhaith »
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #116 on: October 21, 2013, 03:07:33 pm »
Fok maar julle kan aangaan!
Hou op moan en doen iets!

So, who's name is on the list to donate moola to have signs made up.
Once made we can all have a good excuse to go ride our favorite routes and put them up where needed.
Something like below. (Wording might be kak so any suggestions welcome)


I would be happy to donate some moola towards a project like this.

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #117 on: October 21, 2013, 03:08:54 pm »
This scenario I have seen happen often:

The first guy arrives at the gate and open it while the second one is just behind him and sees him open it.
The second guy wait for the third and tell him the gate was closed.
Then a bunch of riders arrive, the second one tells the third one and take off
The rest of the bunch take off and the last one arrive not knowing if the gate was open or closed.



Similar situation often happen at turn-offs and why fellow riders get lost along the way.
Shit happens but that first guy needs a lobotomy!
Whoever opens it should close it, period.


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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #118 on: October 21, 2013, 03:10:09 pm »
Forget about putting up signboards as there are millions of gates in SA. Are you going to put a sign on all of them? Whether you like it or not, the person opening the gate closes it again, forget about the rock idea, it fails.
As an olivebranch from WD's towards this specific farmer it can be done on his gates with his approval and get some Komops for WD's at the same time too. However not possible for all gates.
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #119 on: October 21, 2013, 03:14:24 pm »
The first guy should always open and close after the last guy...standard practice.
But I like your idea of a double flippable sign which the farmer can use as needed.

Yeah it should be standard practice but it is not.  Often the first rider don't want to be the last and shoots off as soon as he handed responsibility to another.

PS a sign about the size of half a number plate. Easy to carry a few on the bike.
You can even add a hole so that the farmer can lock the two together to stop fiddling or lock it to one of the wires to prevent removal.