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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2013, 09:55:21 pm »
Maybe they were stoners and forgot to close the gate...I sometimes forget to put the milk in the fridge, but this one is worse.
Shut the front door, and close the darn gate idiots!

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2013, 10:08:38 pm »
The law states (and it is still in miles) that you can be sent back a 1000 miles
to close a gate that you have left open.
A few years ago someone from GP was ordered by the a Botswana court to come and close a gate he left open on someone's farm.
The guy admitted he had left it open and will pay compensation to the farmer.
Farmer said I do not want your money I want to waste your time as you did mine
because I had to sort out all the cattle that got mixed up when the gate was left open.
He drove all the way from GP to close a gate.

Please close all gates if they are closed. We do not want to be unwelcome and if you have a
feeling you might be on private property go to the nearest house and tell the people you
have trespassed. I have done that a few times when getting lost and have only been
treated friendly. Even made great friends.
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2013, 10:13:32 pm »
The law states (and it is still in miles) that you can be sent back a 1000 miles
to close a gate that you have left open.
A few years ago someone from GP was ordered by the a Botswana court to come and close a gate he left open on someone's farm.
The guy admitted he had left it open and will pay compensation to the farmer.
Farmer said I do not want your money I want to waste your time as you did mine
because I had to sort out all the cattle that got mixed up when the gate was left open.
He drove all the way from GP to close a gate.

Please close all gates if they are closed. We do not want to be unwelcome and if you have a
feeling you might be on private property go to the nearest house and tell the people you
have trespassed. I have done that a few times when getting lost and have only been
treated friendly. Even made great friends.

Agreed!
And amazing how attitudes soften when I take off the helmet and the farmer sees that I have had my head galvanized. :eek7:. They reckon the aged will not race around. >:D
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2013, 10:21:19 pm »
The law states (and it is still in miles) that you can be sent back a 1000 miles
to close a gate that you have left open.
A few years ago someone from GP was ordered by the a Botswana court to come and close a gate he left open on someone's farm.
The guy admitted he had left it open and will pay compensation to the farmer.
Farmer said I do not want your money I want to waste your time as you did mine
because I had to sort out all the cattle that got mixed up when the gate was left open.
He drove all the way from GP to close a gate.

Please close all gates if they are closed. We do not want to be unwelcome and if you have a
feeling you might be on private property go to the nearest house and tell the people you
have trespassed. I have done that a few times when getting lost and have only been
treated friendly. Even made great friends.

Agreed!
And amazing how attitudes soften when I take off the helmet and the farmer sees that I have had my head galvanized. :eek7:. They reckon the aged will not race around. >:D


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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2013, 10:31:57 pm »








Some Sunday night humour!

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2013, 11:18:39 pm »
i love generalization

most bikers are middle aged white men

so for that reason "middle aged white men leave gates open in the karoo"  ::)
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2013, 12:23:17 am »
We have used the rock on top of the post to designate last rider to close but you right Bie...first guy opens & closes...it works :thumleft:

I love this idea!

It does not always work, have someone check the riders through and close gate.
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Re: Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2013, 04:54:59 am »
What about farmers locking gates on public roads?
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2013, 06:43:28 am »
We have used the rock on top of the post to designate last rider to close but you right Bie...first guy opens & closes...it works :thumleft:

I love this idea!

It does not always work, have someone check the riders through and close gate.

sounds like the 'faster' rider not wanting to ride in the rear for his turn   :pot:
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2013, 06:58:46 am »
Erecting a gate across a public road is lawful?  Likely not, else it would be nice to block off the street where one lives, so he has no right to complain if someone opens and leaves such gate open. The farmer should erect fences to keep his animals off the public road, and not claim a public road as his property and endanger users by allowing his animals to stray thereon.  There you have it. The "other" view!
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2013, 07:15:44 am »
Erecting a gate across a public road is lawful?  Likely not, else it would be nice to block off the street where one lives, so he has no right to complain if someone opens and leaves such gate open. The farmer should erect fences to keep his animals off the public road, and not claim a public road as his property and endanger users by allowing his animals to stray thereon.  There you have it. The "other" view!
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2013, 07:16:10 am »
Erecting a gate across a public road is lawful?  Likely not, else it would be nice to block off the street where one lives, so he has no right to complain if someone opens and leaves such gate open. The farmer should erect fences to keep his animals off the public road, and not claim a public road as his property and endanger users by allowing his animals to stray thereon.  There you have it. The "other" view!

its best not to be outspoken if you dont know all the facts and all the laws

Is it a public road? YES
Does the land belong to the public? NO
Does the land belong to the farmer? YES

Its called a Road Servitude

Now I am not sure if this road in question is private, public, etc but farmers do have rights to erect gates over public roads as the land belongs to them - the law only allows you to use the road.

Personally I think farmers should just put in cattle grids where they have problems with fools and idiots leaving their gates open.

Yes its going to cost the farmer - but applying to have a public road servitude to be removed and made private so you can lock the gates are next to impossible.

Or at least put a sign board infront of the gate saying that if you find this gate open please close it.

I have come across numerous gates that I would have thought should be closed - but they were open when I got to them so I left them open.
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2013, 07:26:30 am »
I wanted to stir, and very successful :ricky:

However, note there is a huge difference between a Public road, which is a national, provincial or regional road and cannot be obstructed, and a Servitude road, which belongs to the land owner. He can legally onl erect a gate on a servitude road
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2013, 07:30:14 am »
It should be legally next to almost impossible for a farmer to have a "servitude" title removed from a road to make it private.
There are just too many "new money" weekend farmers who would love for their property to be inaccessibly private, and these people would not hesitate closing off entire areas to
anyone except their small clan if they could.
 

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2013, 07:35:48 am »
I wanted to stir, and very successful :ricky:

However, note there is a huge difference between a Public road, which is a national, provincial or regional road and cannot be obstructed, and a Servitude road, which belongs to the land owner. He can legally onl erect a gate on a servitude road


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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2013, 07:36:58 am »
Why do they just assume it is bikers ??

I don't think it is fair to say bikers are now welcome, maybe they just should have said assholes who can't read are not welcome.
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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2013, 07:38:54 am »
Why do they just assume it is bikers ??

I don't think it is fair to say bikers are now welcome, maybe they just should have said assholes who can't read are not welcome.
Bikers leave tracks

O yes and a bike track means that a biker left the gate open

Could have been the car before the bike, or the car before that or the car from the previous day.

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2013, 07:44:58 am »
Why do they just assume it is bikers ??

I don't think it is fair to say bikers are now welcome, maybe they just should have said assholes who can't read are not welcome.
Bikers leave tracks

O yes and a bike track means that a biker left the gate open

Could have been the car before the bike, or the car before that or the car from the previous day.

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2013, 07:45:32 am »
Why do they just assume it is bikers ??

I don't think it is fair to say bikers are now welcome, maybe they just should have said assholes who can't read are not welcome.
Bikers leave tracks

O yes and a bike track means that a biker left the gate open

Could have been the car before the bike, or the car before that or the car from the previous day.

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Re: Bikers leaving gates open in the Tankwa Karoo
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2013, 07:46:23 am »
I'm in contact with the farmer.....trying to hold up our end!  :thumleft:
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