Author Topic: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013 (Read 62544 times)

Koet · « **Reply #1080 on:** April 22, 2014, 09:14:26 am »

Nope, don't read too much into this. Their bond auction is for raising capital for all operations, not only e-tolling. Remember their portfolio spans way more than just e-tolling in Gauteng.

punisher · « **Reply #1081 on:** April 22, 2014, 09:26:02 am »

All it shows is that investors are willing to support thieves and corruption , especially if the bonds are gauranteed by the treasury. Fukenhahahaha

Koet · « **Reply #1082 on:** April 22, 2014, 09:27:57 am »

Quote from: punisher on April 22, 2014, 09:26:02 am

All it shows is that investors are willing to support thieves and corruption , especially if the bonds are gauranteed by the treasury. Fukenhahahaha

And that is really the only reason that those bonds are issued and actually traded. If they weren't backed by the treasury they would be toxic.

punisher · « **Reply #1083 on:** April 22, 2014, 09:31:52 am »

Egggzacertly

Just more feed for the locusts

wiledog_X · « **Reply #1084 on:** April 22, 2014, 09:41:14 am »

so...... SANRAL to implement the "carrot & stick" principle....

http://www.sabreakingnews.co.za/2014/04/22/outa-warns-motorists-to-stand-firm-against-e-tolling-sticks-and-carrots/

"We advise motorists not to be intimidated by fear or seduced by sweeteners (by SANRAL). No regulatory system can possibly be sustained by treating people that are expected to finance the system as if they are criminals.....” said Wayne Duvenage.

Mr Zog · « **Reply #1085 on:** April 22, 2014, 10:14:25 am »

Quote from: wiledog_X on April 22, 2014, 09:41:14 am

so...... SANRAL to implement the "carrot & stick" principle....

http://www.sabreakingnews.co.za/2014/04/22/outa-warns-motorists-to-stand-firm-against-e-tolling-sticks-and-carrots/

"We advise motorists not to be intimidated by fear or seduced by sweeteners (by SANRAL). No regulatory system can possibly be sustained by treating people that are expected to finance the system as if they are criminals.....” said Wayne Duvenage.

Five months into the contentious e-tolling project on Gauteng’s highways the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (OUTA) warned motorists they may soon be looking at sanctions for non-payment of e-toll bills. According to the organisation the South African National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) is getting desperate to recoup its losses in the e-tolling project and is likely to soon implement a ‘carrot and stick’ tactic to force road users to comply with the unpopular project.

“Despite Minister Peters comment to Advocate Alberts in parliament that Sanral would not use criminal prosecution against e-toll refuseniks, we have learned that Sanral is impatient to commence with a ‘big carrots and large stick’ tactic in earnest,” said Outa spokesperson John Clarke.

According to Outa chairman Wayne Duvenage, Sanral is likely to offer motorists, many of whom have not bought e-tags, a sizable discount for all past unpaid e-toll bills, on condition that the road-user promptly pays the discounted bill and agrees to Sanral’s terms and conditions to register and buy the e-tag in compliance with the system. Duvenage also predicted that Sanral may soon “threaten to action their mobile units to identify ‘known violators’ and escort them off the freeways and even possibly charge them by law enforcement officers.”
“However they will not succeed so long as society stands fast in civil courage and so long as we remember how far we have come,” he said.

“We advise motorists not to be intimidated by fear or seduced by sweeteners. No regulatory system can possibly be sustained by treating people that are expected to finance the system as if they are criminals or stubborn mules,” added Duvenage.

So what is the fine for not paying my etolls? Jissis I can't believe how arrogant and faktap sanral is...

Still waiting for my summons. Maybe I got one? I dunno, I don't even open the envelopes from sanral anymore, they go straight into the recycling bin.

Bundu · « **Reply #1086 on:** April 22, 2014, 10:31:51 am »

I'll take the carrot - I'm paying zip, nothing, nada - fukkem!

Tommy Transalp · « **Reply #1087 on:** April 22, 2014, 06:54:03 pm »

Like I predicted before.... come Easter, and you'll hear less of this system..... soon it will fade away like the National Health Insurance implementation which was to have been going for a year now!..... The Dept. of Health can't even pay for services anymore, let alone purchase new equipment for life caring support!

I reckon Scamral have realised that no matter how you try to ram their system down people's throats, the majority are not going to comply with a corrupt, stealing government. They are on a downhill slide to hell.... fok hulle almal!

Pistonpete · « **Reply #1088 on:** April 22, 2014, 07:14:02 pm »

KiLRoy · « **Reply #1089 on:** April 22, 2014, 07:40:00 pm »

What happened to the revelations of that Kapish ( or whatever they are called) whistleblower?

KiLRoy · « **Reply #1090 on:** April 22, 2014, 07:42:31 pm »

If i read this bond saga right - seems they are raising government guaranteed private debt to pay their debt? Loaning money to pay your loans? This right? Irresponsible from treasury to back these bonds?

RobC · « **Reply #1091 on:** April 23, 2014, 09:22:06 am »

Quote from: KiLRoy on April 22, 2014, 07:40:00 pm

What happened to the revelations of that Kapish ( or whatever they are called) whistleblower?

Madonsela has opened a case I believe.
Expect a lot of shredding to take place soon...

Koet · « **Reply #1092 on:** April 23, 2014, 09:52:01 am »

Lots of shredding is already taking place. And burning.

All those "invoices" are getting burned and shredded by the motorists...

badballie · « **Reply #1093 on:** April 30, 2014, 04:31:45 pm »

Listen to the phone call Darren had with a SANRAL employee about a bill close to half a million rand! It is ridiculous!

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/aLkoAu5nnmU#t/657" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/aLkoAu5nnmU#t/657</a>

Goose · « **Reply #1094 on:** May 01, 2014, 03:48:18 pm »

SANRAL - WHAT A LOT OF TWATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

luv2ride · « **Reply #1095 on:** May 15, 2014, 05:14:05 pm »

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134494&A=FIN&S=Financial&O=E&E=3-47918
The first cracks are appearing, the locusts seem to need bucks. Fukkim

Bundu · « **Reply #1096 on:** May 15, 2014, 05:20:14 pm »

Quote from: luv2ride on May 15, 2014, 05:14:05 pm

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134494&A=FIN&S=Financial&O=E&E=3-47918
The first cracks are appearing, the locusts seem to need bucks. Fukkim

"Sanral's extended grace period is because some people may have unintentionally fallen into arrears, says CEO Nazir Alli."

oooooh, I wasn't aware of e-tolls.......
what a fucking positive thinking retard?!

jogi_c · « **Reply #1097 on:** May 21, 2014, 03:43:56 pm »

So they want to get some more tags sold. Once you register, they have you when you get to GP:

Durban - KwaZulu-Natal is set to have electronic tolling on the N2 and the N3 by November this year, the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) revealed on Wednesday.

Unlike in Gauteng it would not be an additional toll but simply an alternative means of collecting existing tolls, Sanral KwaZulu-Natal and the Free State regional manager Logashri Sewnarain said.

The e-tolling system would be implemented at the existing Mariannhill Toll Plaza on the N3 and on the N2 at the Oribi Toll Plaza near Port Shepstone.

"It must be remembered that it's not an additional toll," she said.

The current method of paying tolls at booths at Oribi and Mariannhill would be maintained but additional lanes would be added and vehicles would be able to go through the new e-toll lanes at a speed of about 40km/h.

She said the booms in the e-toll lanes would not automatically open for vehicles without e-tags.

Vehicles without e-tags would still have to drive through the traditional booths and pay their money or present a card to the cashiers.

More than 100 000 vehicles used the N3 daily and implementing an e-tolling system would improve traffic flow.

"The manual toll booths can process between 200 and 300 vehicles an hour where as up to 700 vehicles an hour can pass through using e-tags," she said.

DeeCeeBee · « **Reply #1098 on:** May 21, 2014, 04:19:53 pm »

They can get knotted...

badballie · « **Reply #1099 on:** May 22, 2014, 08:44:14 am »

I reckon they think they are clever this time around, trying to change tactics after the fiasco in Gauteng.

They introduce the tags first, get people to buy tags to make life easier at the existing tolls, get them registered, sign T&C's and be all happy as there is no additional tolls at play.

When they have a nice % of tags floating around, they can just start putting up gantries, because everyone is tagged already !!!

And voila you are screwed !!!

Not like Gauteng where gantries are up and now only a few buy the tags.

So nope, will not get tagged - never