E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013

[Draad]

One thing saying your say ... lets see if the South Africans "can" stand together 

I wonder how many soft cock Gautengers have their e tags ready ... ( KR maybe you ?  )

We will see wont we !! This will be the first in History !!

Joburg make us proud  if you guys succeed the whole country wins but if you guys go soft cock we are all stuffed...

[Goose]

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[KiLRoy]

One thing saying your say ... lets see if the South Africans "can" stand together 

I wonder how many soft cock Gautengers have their e tags ready ... ( KR maybe you ?  )

We will see wont we !! This will be the first in History !!

Joburg make us proud  if you guys succeed the whole country wins but if you guys go soft cock we are all stuffed...

Ou dratie, I'm many things in this life, but never a soft cock

I will never pay for etolls - never, ever fuck em.

[punisher]

My faith in my fellow man , on isues such as these, is somewhat lacking , I must admit , but come on people spread the word , get everyone to do all that they can to be heard , boycot shops that sell e-tags. Continue discussions with friends and family. Treat dickheads with e_tags like drug and kiddie porn merchants

Maybe , just maybe this can be folded

[Kykdaar]

Realistically, regular highway commuters will fold under the punitive non-tag rates.

It seems to me that a legal challenge should also be made on the basis that the tariff difference between tag and no tag is not justified.

I expect to see a stampede for tags in Jan / Feb when the financial reality begins to bite.

[Tr0jan]

Realistically, regular highway commuters will fold under the punitive non-tag rates.

It seems to me that a legal challenge should also be made on the basis that the tariff difference between tag and no tag is not justified.

I expect to see a stampede for tags in Jan / Feb when the financial reality begins to bite.

Unfortunatley I think you are right. Once I reach that point ill consider my alternatives, but im still not paying!

[MegaPix]

my daugther is at Varsity in P town... BUT she will not get a tag.  If she wants to go to Menlyn she must do the back routes.  PUNT

[Goose]

my daugther is at Varsity in P town... BUT she will not get a tag.  If she wants to go to Menlyn she must do the back routes.  PUNT

This leads me to believe that if the majority starts avoiding the Tollroads........ these okes are going to ensure that no maintenance is carried out on the secondary roads ......... once they deteriorate substantially most would be forced back on the Toll.........   

[MegaPix]

my daugther is at Varsity in P town... BUT she will not get a tag.  If she wants to go to Menlyn she must do the back routes.  PUNT

This leads me to believe that if the majority starts avoiding the Tollroads........ these okes are going to ensure that no maintenance is carried out on the secondary roads ......... once they deteriorate substantially most would be forced back on the Toll.........   

Would they now put a gantry on Lynwood road as well?  THINK NOT

[Mikie]

Realistically, regular highway commuters will fold under the punitive non-tag rates.

It seems to me that a legal challenge should also be made on the basis that the tariff difference between tag and no tag is not justified.

I expect to see a stampede for tags in Jan / Feb when the financial reality begins to bite.

Unfortunatley I think you are right. Once I reach that point ill consider my alternatives, but im still not paying!

How legit are those new fees? Are they legal? I mean at this rate, whats to stop them from making it R50 per gantry if youre an alternate user, definitely force everyone to get tagged. 

[badballie]

I was thinking about these rates last night.

If you look at what current legislation say about the rates, they may only increase it yearly and not more than inflation and CPI.

Now we all know that the current discounted rates will not make them a profit, they can not even get to break even point on those rates.

So how do they expect to make money ?

Clever they are..........................................................

I reckon the alternate rate is the actual rate (the figure is close to what they need to break even and make a profit)

So the increases will be based on the alternate rate - thus it will be as per legislation.

Remember that discounts is not a legal requirement, it is discretionary. Discounts are normally used as an incentive to get people onto a program/get them to start buying your product etc.

So how will they make money ?

All they need to do once enough people is registered, is to give less discount, or take away the discount altogether.

That is the only thing that makes sense cents  

Otherwise what will the use be of a state subsidized system, which is actually suppose to make money ?

So I reckon, once you registered, you are well and truly fucked !

You need to look at the alternate rate and understand, that is where they need to be !!!

The discounts may be a powerful enticement now to rather register, but what are you going to do once discounts fall away ?

They are not obliged to give discounts indefinitely !!!

Gazette says :

The Gazette also states that adjustments to the tariffs and amounts can still be made.

"The increase will be determined by the minister and will not exceed the Consumer Price Index (CPI) for the preceeding 12 months."

I reckon there is their loophole, although the cannot increase rates exponentially, they can adjust tariifs and amounts.

Play around with discounts etc ?

[RobC]

BB quite correct, however it seems the people may actually have seen through this scam.

We are going up to visit family/friends for Xmas... will see if we get sent any invoices...
If we do we will query each transaction ad infinitum.

Clog the system by using our rights as consumers and citizens I say.

[ptashark]

I'll be majorly surprised if they manage to get all the bills to all the road users. Pretty sure that's not going to happen! And I expect number plate theft and fake plates to be a huge issue.

[badballie]

Robc - not so sure if everyone is seeing it in that light, seems many are becoming fixated by the discounts and avoiding the alternate rate............

[RobC]

Robc - not so sure if everyone is seeing it in that light, seems many are becoming fixated by the discounts and avoiding the alternate rate............

Then it is our job to get the word out. 

[badballie]

 

[alanB]

I still think that there is room for a legal challenge.

I really take my hat of to OUTA they stood up when everyone else was just squirming in their seats and trying to avoid the issue.

But I'm not overly impressed with their lawyers!

In my view the points they chose to fight on were really inane.  They seemed to focus only on the process that was followed trying to find a place where the government didn't complete it properly.

But actually the issue has nothing to do with the governments process!  Nobody is upset just because of some step in the process wasn't followed properly!

What about:
1) Our right to go to work untaxed - you cant tax someone before they have earned anything - but that is what this  amounts to.
2) General freedom of movement?
3) Double taxation
4) Right to privacy - these things are going to track your every move, the government will know where you are most of the time.  This was used to defeat a similar scheme in Hong Kong as far as I know.
5) Unwillingness of the government to curb waste, corruption and fraud which necessitates them needing more and more money to do less and less - surely we have a constitutional right to oppose new taxes when they are not using the existing taxes properly?  Especially when there are n amount of examples of how they are spending our taxes on themselves?

And a whole lot more reasons - why werent these used as the main reasons we are opposed to this farce?  That's what is actually making people unhappy!

[Groenie]

I'm starting the WDTA. All of you are invited join my new Taxi Association. We'll have a stupid sticker and our own funky hooter sound.

[volroom]

I'll be majorly surprised if they manage to get all the bills to all the road users. Pretty sure that's not going to happen! And I expect number plate theft and fake plates to be a huge issue.

Me too... fake number plates, or stolen. We're supposed to pop-rivet them on now, think that's gonna stop them stealing it? I would imagine that one big jank on it will see it come off

[Mikie]

I'll be majorly surprised if they manage to get all the bills to all the road users. Pretty sure that's not going to happen! And I expect number plate theft and fake plates to be a huge issue.

Me too... fake number plates, or stolen. We're supposed to pop-rivet them on now, think that's gonna stop them stealing it? I would imagine that one big jank on it will see it come off

Why would they need to steal when they can ust go make one with your reg on it???