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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #720 on: December 03, 2013, 08:41:08 pm »
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Alliance against urban tolling statement at 5pm today that their in-situ electronic sensors confirm 985 322 vehicles passed through William Nicol gantry, only 1339 of them were SANRAL registered with an e-tag. This is a massive setback for SANRAL.


           

So where are that million users hiding  ;D
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #721 on: December 03, 2013, 08:42:20 pm »
Think that is more than just a Massive setback.

More like a Massive fuckup  :imaposer:   :imaposer:
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #722 on: December 03, 2013, 08:47:45 pm »
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Alliance against urban tolling statement at 5pm today that their in-situ electronic sensors confirm 985 322 vehicles passed through William Nicol gantry, only 1339 of them were SANRAL registered with an e-tag. This is a massive setback for SANRAL.


           

I doubt that's true - sounds too good to be

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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #723 on: December 04, 2013, 04:17:55 am »
Haha I had to share this>

So my father in Law got all the moer in when we said we would never support e-toll. He was arguing that the road users should pay for the improved service, etc. etc. and went and bought a tag months ago.

Today the Mrs tells me he is the moer in because he has been charged R80.00 so far for going through the Zambesi toll...the thing is he has only been through it 3 times and it shouldn't cost nearly as much. The real question is that he has no recourse to argue the amount billed.... another can of worms.

Not much sympathy from my side, because he was warned ;D.
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #724 on: December 04, 2013, 07:21:51 am »
from SANRAL website :

Electronic Toll Collection (ETC) will be rolled out to all existing toll
plazas within South Africa over the coming years
. Wherever road users see the e-tag sign, they will be able to use their registered e-tag to pay the required toll fee(s).

read it & weep

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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #725 on: December 04, 2013, 07:30:10 am »
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #726 on: December 04, 2013, 07:50:38 am »
I drove under 2 gantries today. Just checked via e toll website and it says 3 entries???

How do you check this on the website?  Just browsed around and cant find any options for that.
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #727 on: December 04, 2013, 07:54:35 am »
I drove under 2 gantries today. Just checked via e toll website and it says 3 entries???

How do you check this on the website?  Just browsed around and cant find any options for that.

Check here https://www.sanral.co.za/e-toll/portal/PayTollFeesUnregisteredUsers.aspx

But that link changes between this view and registered user log in page so try until you get to the page where you put in your reg no
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #728 on: December 04, 2013, 08:08:22 am »
What we need is a standardised dispute form which we can send then if and when we get our bill.

Any lawyers here willing to draw something up?
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #729 on: December 04, 2013, 08:24:13 am »
And so starts the raping.....

This is for 1 day to work and back and this morning to work. I get 1 gantry on my way in and 2 on my way back. Travel less than 10km on "their" road. Still gonna cost R320 a month!!! Fukc em!

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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #730 on: December 04, 2013, 08:32:07 am »
We are going to make this fail! Excerpt from OUTA on Facebook:

1 million motorists refuse to pay eTolls 92,599 like this.
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    Alliance against urban tolling statement at 5pm today that their in-situ electronic sensors confirm 985 322 vehicles passed through William Nicol gantry, only 1339 of them were SANRAL registered with an e-tag.

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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #731 on: December 04, 2013, 08:34:04 am »
And so starts the raping.....

This is for 1 day to work and back and this morning to work. I get 1 gantry on my way in and 2 on my way back. Travel less than 10km on "their" road. Still gonna cost R320 a month!!! Fukc em!


How does the person who has no internet access have the opportunity to pay within 7 days?
This is grossly unfair and discriminatory.
 

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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #732 on: December 04, 2013, 08:37:23 am »
I was dissapointed that my bill had not been sent before I got home last night :( now I only have 6 days left to pay , and its not my fault I dirrent get the bill ontime.  Ohhhhhhh. Sigh , what am I gonna do now :( 
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #733 on: December 04, 2013, 08:39:38 am »
I was dissapointed that my bill had not been sent before I got home last night :( now I only have 6 days left to pay , and its not my fault I dirrent get the bill ontime.  Ohhhhhhh. Sigh , what am I gonna do now :( 
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #734 on: December 04, 2013, 08:44:11 am »
Proudly E-Toll Free

F...k em

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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #735 on: December 04, 2013, 08:44:35 am »
I was dissapointed that my bill had not been sent before I got home last night :( now I only have 6 days left to pay , and its not my fault I dirrent get the bill ontime.  Ohhhhhhh. Sigh , what am I gonna do now :( 
Ja! I mean really! the post office should have done their part by now! :deal: >:D

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I wonder if Nazi is going to threaten the PO with legal action now that they have fukked up my willingness to comply with scumral's requirements of paying within 7 days.
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #736 on: December 04, 2013, 08:45:22 am »
OK Day 1 - here are my conclusions:

1)  These toll schemes seem to have quite a dismal track record worldwide and many fail mostly because users either dont pay or minimise their exposure tp them, once the bills start racking up.  So on balance of probabilities this thing is going to fail anyway, we just need to help it along to speed up the process.

2) Many people are nervous and are trying to find a safe option.  Understandable.  But they also need to realise that there is no protection from a bully (which is what our government has become) other than standing up to him/it.  This government is intent on continually trying to squeeze more money out of its citizens, that's very clear.  Until those citizens say "enough" and actually mean it, that squeezing will continue and intensify IMO.  Also the government is becoming increasingly arrogant as each step it takes meets with little or no resistance.  The dissatisfaction about etolls is the first murmurings of an unhappy population - the governments response has been aggressive.  If we don't stop them now and make them think again, then you can expect that response to get more aggressive and arrogant in the future.  So what I am trying to say is taking the safe option now may not be that safe, you are just putting off the issue, and when you finally decide to say enough, its probably going to be harder then - that's my honest view.

3) SANRAL is trying very hard to project this as a success and everyone is getting worried about whether they are "winning" or not (after only one day  ::)).  But if we just remember all we need to do is simply do nothing (dont buy a tag and resist payment, or cancel your agreement with them) - they simply cant win!  They can bluster all they are worth.  It US who have to make this system work, not them.  Its failed in many other countries for exactly that reason.  We don't have to go along with this if we dont want to - it really is that simple.
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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #737 on: December 04, 2013, 09:40:53 am »
And so starts the raping.....

This is for 1 day to work and back and this morning to work. I get 1 gantry on my way in and 2 on my way back. Travel less than 10km on "their" road. Still gonna cost R320 a month!!! Fukc em!

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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #738 on: December 04, 2013, 09:43:32 am »
And so starts the raping.....

This is for 1 day to work and back and this morning to work. I get 1 gantry on my way in and 2 on my way back. Travel less than 10km on "their" road. Still gonna cost R320 a month!!! Fukc em!

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Re: E-Tolls go live - 3 December 2013
« Reply #739 on: December 04, 2013, 10:03:44 am »
Iets wat ek nogal geniet het:

Analogy on the Facebook site of Helen Zille, the Premier of the Western Cape.
"I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed.

What a beauty of a bird feeder it was, as I filled it lovingly with seed.
Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous flow of free and easily accessible food.
But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio, above the table, and next to the barbecue. Then came the poop. It was
everywhere: on the patio tiles, the chairs, the table, everywhere!
Then some of the birds turned mean. They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out of my own pocket. And others birds were boisterous and loud. They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.
After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore. So I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone.
I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio.
Soon, the back yard was like it used to be .. quiet, serene.. and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.
Now let's see.
Our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care and free education, and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.
Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands.
Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families; you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor; your child's second grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English. Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to 'press one' to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than our flag are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.
Just my opinion, but maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.
If you agree, pass it on; if not, continue cleaning up the poop."