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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2013, 04:23:58 pm »
you know that brings me to another point, why have etags at all ...why not just register yr number plate and use the same principal ...I don't understand the need for an etag with the software they have in situ already.
The OCR software is not really real time, it can be done but will take much longer for the money to be collected the old hard paper way. The TAG is a faster and more accurate system as it deducts from PREPAID monies already lying in SANRAL coffers. Each beep frees a few bucks to blow on Kapsh and overheads.

you could still have this in place with number plates ie by loading airtime onto your plate .... same principles just no tag....its what they doing anyway....if you think about it.
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2013, 04:32:00 pm »
O-man, on a calmer note - why did you get a etag if you dont intend to drive on the toll roads?  seriously

because on the odd occasion I may have to use the highways when I need to save time or for emergencies......also my wife uses my car on the odd occasion an I don't want her to have shit....

I have registered my car.... my bike I will not register and will take evasive action at the gantries to ensure I do not get a bill ....ever .....

fair enough, but surely if its a case of 'the odd occasion', then the extra money will have a ver small impact?

To be honest - I very seldom use the freeways, but for the sake of solidarity I will run up a bill to give them the finger

you not wrong there, in my case it would make very little difference between being tagged or not as I intend not using the highways at all.... if ever I have to it would be relatively very little money anyway.

I think ultimately I do not see the traditional law abiding citizen of ZA's method of resistance actually working so bought a tag. and so far what I see has not made me change my mind... every one is up in arms about it, everyone is moaning about it , everyone is pissed off but I see very little action being taken ..case n point is the thread here about protesting....hundreds an hundreds of views and very view committed ppl to actually taking time out to do something about....we too lacksadaisial....

if it is to be toppled we must behave outside of the lawful paradigm , pics were shown here of the gantry in france being burned etc etc and that requires steadfastness by all and from all quarters, something I have not seen saffers do very well as a group.....

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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2013, 04:37:34 pm »
More news, just like every other day of how the ANC just continuously gobbles up tax funds for its own purposes.  I think its so common people dont even notice anymore.

Until we start resisting its always going to be easier for them to dream up new ways to collect more money than put a stop to this sort of thing:

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December 4 2013 at 12:04pm
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Cape Town - Fired ANC parliamentary staffers have claimed in the Labour Court that the party diverted statutory funds to finance its 2009 election campaign.

At the time the ANC caucus retrenched 89 staff members.

Fifteen employees took the party to court for alleged unfair dismissal.

On Tuesday, advocate Alec Freund, representing the staffers, questioned former ANC chief whip Nyami Booi in the Labour Court on statutory funds allegedly diverted to pay Oryx Media a total of R7.4 million to, among other things, assist with the party’s election campaign.

R15.6m was allegedly also diverted for accommodation and travelling.

Freund told the court that party constituency allowances and party administration funds were not supposed to be used for election and advertising.

“The funds were used for graffiti, floppy hats, airfares and hotels,” said Freund.


Booi said it would have been brought to his attention if the funds had been diverted and “that he was not aware of it”.

Freund submitted in court that Booi may be party to yet another offence.

In 2009, Booi was one of 31 MPs who pleaded guilty to abusing parliamentary travel warrants in the so-called Travelgate saga.

At the time he was fined R50 000 (or five years’ jail), and given until January 2014 to pay the money in monthly instalments of R1 000.

Booi told the court that Freund did not know what he was talking about and had no knowledge of how Parliament’s system runs.

“He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he never worked for Parliament and I don’t want to engage with someone who has never worked for Parliament and doesn’t know how its systems work.”

Booi denied any knowledge of the figures spent on travelling expenditure which included hotel accommodation, flights and rental cars.

The case continues.

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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2013, 05:53:13 pm »
;)
but seriously ouens , I will refrain from posting in these hallowed threads about resistance and defcont's numbers ............................so take this as my last post ...............
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2013, 06:03:21 pm »
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2013, 06:08:25 pm »
O-man, on a calmer note - why did you get a etag if you dont intend to drive on the toll roads?  seriously

because on the odd occasion I may have to use the highways when I need to save time or for emergencies......also my wife uses my car on the odd occasion an I don't want her to have shit....

I have registered my car.... my bike I will not register and will take evasive action at the gantries to ensure I do not get a bill ....ever .....

fair enough, but surely if its a case of 'the odd occasion', then the extra money will have a ver small impact?

To be honest - I very seldom use the freeways, but for the sake of solidarity I will run up a bill to give them the finger

you not wrong there, in my case it would make very little difference between being tagged or not as I intend not using the highways at all.... if ever I have to it would be relatively very little money anyway.

I think ultimately I do not see the traditional law abiding citizen of ZA's method of resistance actually working so bought a tag. and so far what I see has not made me change my mind... every one is up in arms about it, everyone is moaning about it , everyone is pissed off but I see very little action being taken ..case n point is the thread here about protesting....hundreds an hundreds of views and very view committed ppl to actually taking time out to do something about....we too lacksadaisial....

if it is to be toppled we must behave outside of the lawful paradigm , pics were shown here of the gantry in france being burned etc etc and that requires steadfastness by all and from all quarters, something I have not seen saffers do very well as a group.....

remember avoid the roads to party this evening

You make a very valid point about the law abiding way may not stop the beast, but it still does not explain your etag?

But i do see use for it.  Clock a few R on the tag, then ask them to cancel it...lets see if they do it, and if they can still get to your money after you cancelled and if you occur more cost?

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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2013, 07:19:59 pm »
you could still have this in place with number plates ie by loading airtime onto your plate .... same principles just no tag....its what they doing anyway....if you think about it.
and your line of work is what?
 

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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2013, 06:17:14 am »
;)
but seriously ouens , I will refrain from posting in these hallowed threads about resistance and defcont's numbers ............................so take this as my last post ...............
:deal:


 hmmmm  spineless even to his own rules  bwahahahahahhaha

Punisher , if your contribution to the struggle is insulting me well then we fucked mate......

lets at the very least try an remove emotion out of this and this with rational minds....but if insulting me makes you feel better then by all means please continue.


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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2013, 06:18:23 am »
you could still have this in place with number plates ie by loading airtime onto your plate .... same principles just no tag....its what they doing anyway....if you think about it.
and your line of work is what?

little bit of this, little bit of that ......quasi legal stuff...
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2013, 09:58:22 am »
you could still have this in place with number plates ie by loading airtime onto your plate .... same principles just no tag....its what they doing anyway....if you think about it.
and your line of work is what?

little bit of this, little bit of that ......quasi legal stuff...
then refrain from commenting on how E-Tolling works, you clearly have no knowledge of how these systems work. :sip:
 

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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2013, 10:25:36 am »
you could still have this in place with number plates ie by loading airtime onto your plate .... same principles just no tag....its what they doing anyway....if you think about it.
and your line of work is what?

little bit of this, little bit of that ......quasi legal stuff...
then refrain from commenting on how E-Tolling works, you clearly have no knowledge of how these systems work. :sip:

Aargh rob don't be like that hey...

So if you can't actually clear up the question why u even comment at all hey,fact is with modern tech you don't need an etag .....number plate recognition linked to an account would suffice....

But you welcome to show me the error of my ways hey...
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2013, 11:31:11 am »
Chris Chameleon on e-tolls political implications

 

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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2013, 01:25:32 pm »
;)
but seriously ouens , I will refrain from posting in these hallowed threads about resistance and defcont's numbers ............................so take this as my last post ...............
:deal:


 hmmmm  spineless even to his own rules  bwahahahahahhaha

Punishe
r , if your contribution to the struggle is insulting me well then we fucked mate......

lets at the very least try an remove emotion out of this and this with rational minds....but if insulting me makes you feel better then by all means please continue.




Your kidding right !!!
You feel insulted by what you said !!!!

Geeeez man. Grow a pair , only you can control what you say and do
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2013, 02:04:34 pm »
;)
but seriously ouens , I will refrain from posting in these hallowed threads about resistance and defcont's numbers ............................so take this as my last post ...............
:deal:


 hmmmm  spineless even to his own rules  bwahahahahahhaha

Punishe
r , if your contribution to the struggle is insulting me well then we fucked mate......

lets at the very least try an remove emotion out of this and this with rational minds....but if insulting me makes you feel better then by all means please continue.




Your kidding right !!!
You feel insulted by what you said !!!!

Geeeez man. Grow a pair , only you can control what you say and do
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yip, we fucked as I thought, its far worse than I thought possible  .... ::) ...the resistance movement hurls insults while the gantries rake in their cash
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2013, 02:10:52 pm »
maybe this has been posted before, but i just received it from the AA.:



e-Tolls – dangerous precedents have been set
5 December 2013:
 
SANRAL e-Tolling is now live, but what this really means is that a number of precedents have now been set for urban tolling to continue across other parts of Gauteng, and into the rest of the country, effectively leaving the road user with fewer non-tolled alternatives.
 
The Automobile Association of South Africa (AA) points out that the e-Toll debate is taking shape around the City of Cape Town, with speculation that Durban may be next on the e-Toll list. Although the Minister of Transport mentioned that Gauteng is the economic hub of the country, and therefore required much-needed road infrastructure upgrades funded by tolls, it is unclear what justification there will be for e-Tolling for the rest of the country.
 
SANRAL can no longer continue with its scare tactics or attempt to hide facts from the public. The fact is that non-registered motorists who do not pay their toll fees within a seven day grace period will not be prosecuted, but will instead pay a higher alternate user rate as determined by SANRAL. This underscores the conflicting and unclear communications from SANRAL and the Department of Transport relating to the intended prosecution of so-called defaulting motorists, including a grossly undefined debt collection process.
 
The implications of large numbers of motorists waiting to pay, or refusing to pay outright, will result in an administrative nightmare for the e-Tolling system, including the negative impact on SANRAL’s cash flow. Although the Minister of Transport has claimed that “the government cares for its people” and therefore lowered the cost per kilometre for e-Tolling, the South African motorist has emerged as the ultimate loser.
 
Massive public rejection of the system, the persistence by OUTA to fight the e-Tolling battle, and the AA’s petition submitted in 2011 with 52,000 signatures, have clearly demonstrated that the majority of people wanted e-Tolling scrapped in favour of an alternate funding method. The low uptake of e-Tags is further evidence of public rejection of the system.
 
A 2007 study conducted by the AA quantified the costs of traffic congestion. Despite the Minister’s continual referral to this report, the study did not support the notion of e-Tolling, but rather proved that the cost of long-overdue freeway improvements would negatively affect Gauteng’s economy if not addressed.
 
The Minister also mentioned the R150 billion road infrastructure backlog, with no apparent means to finance the current problem. The AA continues to question where the current revenue collected from fuel sales, which is supposed to support road infrastructure development and maintenance, goes. The AA again insists on full disclosure by government on how this tax revenue from fuel sales is actually being spent as it’s clearly not being used as intended.
 
It is now at the discretion of every road user to decide whether or not to register with SANRAL and pay for e-Tolls. If you don’t buy an e-Tag, you are not breaking the law and cannot be arrested for not owning an e-Tag.Press Room
 
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2013, 02:13:41 pm »
;)
but seriously ouens , I will refrain from posting in these hallowed threads about resistance and defcont's numbers ............................so take this as my last post ...............
:deal:


 hmmmm  spineless even to his own rules  bwahahahahahhaha

Punishe
r , if your contribution to the struggle is insulting me well then we fucked mate......

lets at the very least try an remove emotion out of this and this with rational minds....but if insulting me makes you feel better then by all means please continue.




Your kidding right !!!
You feel insulted by what you said !!!!

Geeeez man. Grow a pair , only you can control what you say and do
 :imaposer:

yip, we fucked as I thought, its far worse than I thought possible  .... ::) ...the resistance movement hurls insults while the gantries rake in their cash

Funny that ICM, trolling around clearly trying to get a rise, making unsubstantiated comments about WD's and their "gooses" allegedly, but hating the table turn.   :lol8:

More gas you say.....
 

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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2013, 02:31:09 pm »
;)
but seriously ouens , I will refrain from posting in these hallowed threads about resistance and defcont's numbers ............................so take this as my last post ...............
:deal:


 hmmmm  spineless even to his own rules  bwahahahahahhaha

Punishe
r , if your contribution to the struggle is insulting me well then we fucked mate......

lets at the very least try an remove emotion out of this and this with rational minds....but if insulting me makes you feel better then by all means please continue.




Your kidding right !!!
You feel insulted by what you said !!!!

Geeeez man. Grow a pair , only you can control what you say and do
 :imaposer:

yip, we fucked as I thought, its far worse than I thought possible  .... ::) ...the resistance movement hurls insults while the gantries rake in their cash

Funny that ICM, trolling around clearly trying to get a rise, making unsubstantiated comments about WD's and their "gooses" allegedly, but hating the table turn.   :lol8:



lynn, you know it was tongue in cheek right, a mere quip following comments on another thread about dirtyxt's ...oh if I have to explain...

but please if you took my post as an insult I apologise profusely.... for it was not my intention to insult anyone .....

I am the spineless twatwaffle in the post , surely that was completely obvious, it was a joke ..oh dear ....
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2013, 02:53:37 pm »
;)
but seriously ouens , I will refrain from posting in these hallowed threads about resistance and defcont's numbers ............................so take this as my last post ...............
:deal:


 hmmmm  spineless even to his own rules  bwahahahahahhaha

Punishe
r , if your contribution to the struggle is insulting me well then we fucked mate......

lets at the very least try an remove emotion out of this and this with rational minds....but if insulting me makes you feel better then by all means please continue.




Your kidding right !!!
You feel insulted by what you said !!!!

Geeeez man. Grow a pair , only you can control what you say and do
 :imaposer:

yip, we fucked as I thought, its far worse than I thought possible  .... ::) ...the resistance movement hurls insults while the gantries rake in their cash

Bwahahaha. Your playground arguments (turnaround) is funny. What u have been spouted as insults etc n I have found quite funny , and then your own contradiction , that you find as insulting when it was commented on is funny
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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2013, 02:59:09 pm »
;)
but seriously ouens , I will refrain from posting in these hallowed threads about resistance and defcont's numbers ............................so take this as my last post ...............
:deal:


 hmmmm  spineless even to his own rules  bwahahahahahhaha

Punishe
r , if your contribution to the struggle is insulting me well then we fucked mate......

lets at the very least try an remove emotion out of this and this with rational minds....but if insulting me makes you feel better then by all means please continue.




Your kidding right !!!
You feel insulted by what you said !!!!

Geeeez man. Grow a pair , only you can control what you say and do
 :imaposer:

yip, we fucked as I thought, its far worse than I thought possible  .... ::) ...the resistance movement hurls insults while the gantries rake in their cash

Bwahahaha. Your playground arguments (turnaround) is funny. What u have been spouted as insults etc n I have found quite funny , and then your own contradiction , that you find as insulting when it was commented on is funny
Thanx


and still it continues.......

so Punisher , what have you done for the resistance today, oh I insulted ICM 3 times....wow you won the internet

so punisher, have I insulted you at all? are you in the habit of name calling all the time, is this your norm modus operandi?

if we cannot tolerate views opposite to ours or we do not make an effort to empathise with those views then surely that makes us very closed human beings and closed humans resort to insulting those they cannot an will not tolerate.

the intolerance on this forum is a lil eye brow raising or is that low brow raising ...

just cos I choose to have an etag does not make me spinelss, does not make me a coward, does not make me a twatwaffle or whatever other insult you care to hurl at ppl ..... the emotion in this saga (nor restricted to WD) is making ppl gullible who then fall for any scrap that comes along, hysteria prevents rational thinking ....

change is inevitable ,one way or the other we are going to pay for these roads and mostly argue that these roads have been paid for time an time again then say a fuel levy is ok...

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Re: eTolls - The Political implication
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2013, 03:06:10 pm »
I didn't insult anyone , your backtracking brought it on

As far as what I have don't today , I have held two anti tag / e_toll discussions , amongst my collegues , handed out some stickers , used my roads tag free.
But most of all , held out another day in defiance against corruption and general cowardice

And you ? ........ If I may ask
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