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Offline Sláinte Mhaith

Not Registered and e-toll payments
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:05:33 am »
So you have no e-tag. Then how does the system work?

Here they mention a grace period of 7 days for payment:
http://www.sanral.co.za/e-toll/index.php?gort_xml+template~~menu/main~~L1_9699

Sending invoices and making payment in such a short period is not possible.
Does this implies that the onus is on you to follow up on what you have to pay?
Do they still send you and invoice? By post, email, sms?
What happens when you don't pay in 7 days?
 

Offline Sláinte Mhaith

Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 11:09:18 am »
If a road-user does not want to register an e-toll Account, the e-toll fees may be paid at ...........or online by clicking here. In this case it will be required that the road user provide his Vehicle Licence Plate Number.


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And that takes you here.
 

Offline Sláinte Mhaith

Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 11:12:10 am »
What happens when you don't pay in 7 days?

Aahh

Important to note: A road user who chooses not to register an e-toll Account and wants to pay their e-toll fees, has to pay within the grace periodInformationThe Grace Period is the time frame which a road user has in which to pay their outstanding fees.

The Grace Period is 7 days from the time of your transaction. If payment is not made within the grace periodInformationThe Grace Period is the time frame which a road user has in which to pay their outstanding fees.

The Grace Period is 7 days from the time of your transaction , the transaction would be handed over to the VPC (Violations Processing Centre) where higher tariffs will be applicable. A road user who is not registered, does not have an e-tag and does not pay within the seven day grace periodInformationThe Grace Period is the time frame which a road user has in which to pay their outstanding fees.

The Grace Period is 7 days from the time of your transaction is classified as an Alternate UserInformationAn alternate user is a user who does not qualify for any discounts at the time of an e-toll transaction and will pay standard e-toll tarrif rates.

An alternate user is identified at the time of the e-toll transaction by an e-tag or VLN or by both where applicable. and will be liable for the Alternate User tariff.


Seems you just don't qualify for the discount.

That implies that if you pay within 7 days even without an e-tag you still qualify for a discount. ???
 

Offline Bike_Buddies

Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 11:13:48 am »
If a road-user does not want to register an e-toll Account, the e-toll fees may be paid at ...........or online by clicking here. In this case it will be required that the road user provide his Vehicle Licence Plate Number.


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And that takes you here.


Open the link twice and You'll be directed to the correct page
 

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 11:48:12 am »
What does an organisation pay to process a credit card payment?

If I pay directly after passing each boom (like R2 transactions), will they not start incurring a loss??

a credit card transaction will cost me nothing
 

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2013, 02:09:56 pm »
If a road-user does not want to register an e-toll Account, the e-toll fees may be paid at ...........or online by clicking here. In this case it will be required that the road user provide his Vehicle Licence Plate Number.


 ;D ;D ;D

And that takes you here.


Open the link twice and You'll be directed to the correct page


What do you mean by  "open the link twice"? Doesn't matter how many times I try to open it, it keeps going to the login page depicted above.
 

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 02:11:57 pm »
if you dont pay within 7 days, you are classified as an "alternate user", and the price doubles.
 

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 02:14:27 pm »
so they will send my etoll bill to the same non-existing address that all my fines are sent to....so imagine i am not linked to the internet either....how will they then proceed?

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2013, 02:20:30 pm »
so they will send my etoll bill to the same non-existing address that all my fines are sent to....so imagine i am not linked to the internet either....how will they then proceed?

Under correction, but you are obliged to update your 'domicilium et executandi' per law or enatis or whatever, and not doing so may get you in trouble.
But then again, have also not heard of anyone being prosecuted for that. (maybe only as part of another case)
 

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2013, 02:23:26 pm »
so they will send my etoll bill to the same non-existing address that all my fines are sent to....so imagine i am not linked to the internet either....how will they then proceed?

Under correction, but you are obliged to update your 'domicilium et executandi' per law or enatis or whatever, and not doing so may get you in trouble.
But then again, have also not heard of anyone being prosecuted for that. (maybe only as part of another case)

Edit: The above is relevant to summonses which can not be posted to you.  Your postal address for fines and shit is not an issue. Nothing stops me from getting a postal box and just never collecting any post.
 

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2013, 02:28:08 pm »
so they will send my etoll bill to the same non-existing address that all my fines are sent to....so imagine i am not linked to the internet either....how will they then proceed?

Under correction, but you are obliged to update your 'domicilium et executandi' per law or enatis or whatever, and not doing so may get you in trouble.
But then again, have also not heard of anyone being prosecuted for that. (maybe only as part of another case)

So, what if I make my address like the sometimes have in the West of Ireland where your address is written on an envelope like this:

Mr A Kelly
First white wall after stone wall ends
Enniskerry
Co. Wicklow

In otherwords, no street name, no nr. Like the so many shack dwellers...
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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2013, 02:30:12 pm »
If I lived in Gauteng.....this is what I'd do
If you dont like something, change it!
If you cant, change your attitude.
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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2013, 02:36:00 pm »
so they will send my etoll bill to the same non-existing address that all my fines are sent to....so imagine i am not linked to the internet either....how will they then proceed?

Under correction, but you are obliged to update your 'domicilium et executandi' per law or enatis or whatever, and not doing so may get you in trouble.
But then again, have also not heard of anyone being prosecuted for that. (maybe only as part of another case)

DOMICILEUM CITANDI ET EXECUTANDI -- Means the physical address where you will keep the asset.  In this case the bike or car.  NOW ?????

How many of us still get postal deliveries at the physical address?  Not many

So what now?? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2013, 02:48:03 pm »
so they will send my etoll bill to the same non-existing address that all my fines are sent to....so imagine i am not linked to the internet either....how will they then proceed?

Under correction, but you are obliged to update your 'domicilium et executandi' per law or enatis or whatever, and not doing so may get you in trouble.
But then again, have also not heard of anyone being prosecuted for that. (maybe only as part of another case)

DOMICILEUM CITANDI ET EXECUTANDI -- Means the physical address where you will keep the asset.  In this case the bike or car.  NOW ?????

How many of us still get postal deliveries at the physical address?  Not many

So what now?? ??? ??? ??? ???
exactly...i have no postal, and i rent and move often...so how do they find you?

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2013, 02:49:57 pm »
so they will send my etoll bill to the same non-existing address that all my fines are sent to....so imagine i am not linked to the internet either....how will they then proceed?

Under correction, but you are obliged to update your 'domicilium et executandi' per law or enatis or whatever, and not doing so may get you in trouble.
But then again, have also not heard of anyone being prosecuted for that. (maybe only as part of another case)

DOMICILEUM CITANDI ET EXECUTANDI -- Means the physical address where you will keep the asset.  In this case the bike or car.  NOW ?????

How many of us still get postal deliveries at the physical address?  Not many

So what now?? ??? ??? ??? ???
exactly...i have no postal, and i rent and move often...so how do they find you?

Their problem and why are you moving so often?  RUNNING?   :imaposer:
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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2013, 03:05:51 pm »
so they will send my etoll bill to the same non-existing address that all my fines are sent to....so imagine i am not linked to the internet either....how will they then proceed?

Under correction, but you are obliged to update your 'domicilium et executandi' per law or enatis or whatever, and not doing so may get you in trouble.
But then again, have also not heard of anyone being prosecuted for that. (maybe only as part of another case)

DOMICILEUM CITANDI ET EXECUTANDI -- Means the physical address where you will keep the asset.  In this case the bike or car.  NOW ?????

How many of us still get postal deliveries at the physical address?  Not many

So what now?? ??? ??? ??? ???
exactly...i have no postal, and i rent and move often...so how do they find you?

Their problem and why are you moving so often?  RUNNING?   :imaposer:
short attention span....

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2013, 03:11:20 pm »
AFAIK paying within 7 days is fine, within 30 days, a certain higher rate, within 60 days another higher rate and after 60 days they hand over to debt collectors - I'm taking the last option, which IMO is the option to make the system fail, as there are not enough debt collectors or judges to handle the load
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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2013, 03:17:00 pm »
AFAIK paying within 7 days is fine, within 30 days, a certain higher rate, within 60 days another higher rate and after 60 days they hand over to debt collectors - I'm taking the last option, which IMO is the option to make the system fail, as there are not enough debt collectors or judges to handle the load
hmmm. bit of a gap in the market for debt collectors...perhaps its a great new career path for all those ex army muscle men with all the frustration, and only the traffic to take it out on..... ;)

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2013, 03:19:02 pm »
If a road-user does not want to register an e-toll Account, the e-toll fees may be paid at ...........or online by clicking here. In this case it will be required that the road user provide his Vehicle Licence Plate Number.


 ;D ;D ;D

And that takes you here.


Open the link twice and You'll be directed to the correct page


What do you mean by  "open the link twice"? Doesn't matter how many times I try to open it, it keeps going to the login page depicted above.

Well sorry for you then

It works just fine on my side

https://www.sanral.co.za/e-toll/portal/PayTollFeesUnregisteredUsers.aspx

« Last Edit: December 05, 2013, 03:21:35 pm by Bike_Buddies »
 

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Re: Not Registered and e-toll payments
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2013, 03:27:36 pm »
so they will send my etoll bill to the same non-existing address that all my fines are sent to....so imagine i am not linked to the internet either....how will they then proceed?

Under correction, but you are obliged to update your 'domicilium et executandi' per law or enatis or whatever, and not doing so may get you in trouble.
But then again, have also not heard of anyone being prosecuted for that. (maybe only as part of another case)

DOMICILEUM CITANDI ET EXECUTANDI -- Means the physical address where you will keep the asset.  In this case the bike or car.  NOW ?????

How many of us still get postal deliveries at the physical address?  Not many

So what now?? ??? ??? ??? ???

not true , its not where you will keep the asset ...but the address where legal notices can be delivered to you...the 2 of course will be mostly the same ... A PO Box is not a valid example as you cannot live in a PO box

it has a number of other legal ramifications too but not sufficient space here
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