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Offline Sláinte Mhaith

E-Toll Invoice
« on: December 10, 2013, 09:02:55 am »
For those without e-tags.

Anyone received an invoice yet?  What do they look like?
 

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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2013, 09:09:43 am »
Nothing and I doubt I will be seeing one any time soon.
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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2013, 09:12:00 am »
Nothing and I doubt I will be seeing one any time soon.

post office is on a go slow:  http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/12/05/snail-mail-to-block-e-tolls

Yesterday, the Cosatu-affiliated Communications Workers' Union urged its workers, who have been on a go-slow, to strengthen their contribution to Cosatu's campaign against e-tolls by delaying the delivery to defaulting motorists of SA National Roads Agency mail.

"We [want] our workers to be really extremely slow when they see the e-tolls mail," Aubrey Tshabalala, the union's Gauteng secretary, said.

"Our members will be very slow. The snail will be faster than us when we see e-tolls mail."
 

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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2013, 09:37:02 am »
For those without e-tags.

Anyone received an invoice yet?  What do they look like?
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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2013, 09:44:44 am »
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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2013, 08:48:04 am »
Listening to 702 now, people are getting invoices. Apparently if you have registered on Payfine, they have given SANRAL their database and are sending out 'invoices' to unregistered users.

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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2013, 09:14:16 am »
For those without e-tags.

Anyone received an invoice yet?  What do they look like?
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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2013, 09:18:05 am »
Listening to 702 now, people are getting invoices. Apparently if you have registered on Payfine, they have given SANRAL their database and are sending out 'invoices' to unregistered users.

Did anyone check that the Payfine site privacy statement allows them to share your details with anyone they like?
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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2013, 09:21:58 am »
Listening to 702 now, people are getting invoices. Apparently if you have registered on Payfine, they have given SANRAL their database and are sending out 'invoices' to unregistered users.

people pay their traffic fines?
good god,  next they'll be paying their e-toll bills.
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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2013, 09:24:26 am »
I've recieved 2 emails with 2 seperate dispute details and saying that they are in the process of being investigated. I haven't logged a dispute....
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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2013, 09:36:15 am »
I registered on Payfine years ago, was probably even on another email address. They cant prove I still use the address that payfine gives them.
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Offline PierreO

Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2013, 10:07:08 am »
I've recieved 2 emails with 2 seperate dispute details and saying that they are in the process of being investigated. I haven't logged a dispute....

Ooops sorry I still wanted to tell you about this .
 

Offline Sláinte Mhaith

Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2013, 02:01:37 pm »
I've recieved 2 emails with 2 seperate dispute details and saying that they are in the process of being investigated. I haven't logged a dispute....

 ;D ;D ;D

Seems they are on their way to cock up the system properly.  Pity that it won't bring them to an abrupt stop I guess.

Reason why I asked the question about invoices. Remember all the talk about disputing invoices or ignoring postal invoices. Seem the system works different and they put the onus on the user to figure out if he went under a gantry. Remember all the talk about enatis linking your detail to sanral. What happened to that. Now talk about pay fine giving your details to sanral. Doubt if they can legally do that.

Suppose we can only wait and see how the system work. Hopefully by waiting it will cause the system to collapse.
 

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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2013, 02:43:59 pm »
Tried to find the  PayFine terms and conditions:

It seems that PayFine.co.za no longer exists, the url gets redirected to paycity.co.za

Their terms and conditions are here https://www.paycity.co.za/ContentPage.aspx?Name=Terms

I'm not sure what the terms and conditions of Payfine were.  I would guess they were the same as these, but its difficult to prove that now the site no longer exists.

Some snippets:

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SECURITY

All User information is kept strictly confidential and is secured by a variety of security measures that are reasonable taking into account the nature of service offered on this Site. Personal information will not be shared with any third party without the express written consent of the User or in terms of a court order. All credit card transactions are Secure Socket Layers encrypted. The company registration documents and the site's registered domain name are checked and verified by Thawte.

Appropriate action shall be taken in terms of chapter 8 of the Electronic Communications and Transactions Act 25 of 2002, against any person that delivers or attempts to deliver any damaging code to this Site or attempts to gain unauthorised access to any page on this Site.

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Disclosing your information to third parties

Paycity reserves the right to access and disclose individual-identifying information to comply with applicable laws, regulations and lawful government requests, to operate its systems properly or to protect itself or its users or to solve any customer disputes.

We may provide aggregate statistics about our sales, customers, traffic patterns and other site information to third parties, but these statistics will not include any information that could personally identify you.

We will not disclose personal information collected about you without your express consent thereto or through due legal process.

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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2013, 02:56:10 pm »
In any event, if you didnt buy an etag or register on their site, SANRAL have no agreement with you  in which you stipulate what your address details are - so if they send you an unsolicited invoice via email, and you ignore it, I doubt of they have any claim on you.

Its quite reasonable to claim you deleted it because you thought it was a scam given that you never agreed to receive invoices via email.
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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2013, 03:13:35 pm »
I can't wait for the 1st Sanral Invoice scams to pop up - "Please follow this link and enter all your private information....."  :lol8:

they can go fark themselves!
 

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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2013, 03:15:14 pm »
I'm on PayCity and have received nothing from scamral.
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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2013, 03:37:14 pm »
Checked my postbox carefully this weekend......

Nary a lurking Sanral account in sight!!!

How am I supposed to pay within 7 days if I don't receive the bill in 14.......????

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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2013, 03:50:05 pm »
My GF just got this SMS (that will be deservedly ignored)

 "You have overdue e-toll fees in the amount of R 325.26 which have been handed over for collection to VPC. Call 0800 SANRAL (726 725) Ref: ************"
 

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Re: E-Toll Invoice
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2013, 04:03:57 pm »
Bills will only be sent at the end of the month
So, until Jan, relax. We'll sort it out next year
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