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What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« on: December 22, 2013, 10:56:56 am »
I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this, but what the hell...

So we've struggled like mad in the past to find a way of accommodating bikers on our nature reserve (Witsand Kalahari Nature Reserve, Northern Cape) but at the same time keeping the @#$^% hooligans out.

Or admission policy is basically that we allow
A) Street-legal, 4 stroke bikes only.
B) No quads, scramblers and k@k like that. :patch:
C) Bikes that comply with the other rules (mainly the noise factor)

How it's written out is "Street-legal motorcycles only"
Obviously we have the right of admission reserved, so occasionally have to chase idiots out, even though they arrive on adventure bikes.

We'd like to allow adventure bikes on our reserve, but how on earth do we keep people happy AND keep the riff-raff out?

I can fully understand why so many reserves go the simple route and ban all bikes of all descriptions, but it's a shame to exclude all the people who are decent and responsible riders.

I could rant about bikes in nature reserves for days, so I'll shut up now. :biggrin: :peepwall:

Do you agree with our policy of an "adventure bikes only" kinda thing and what are your thoughts? (I'll appreciate the feedback as this is a always a headache to deal with.)
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2013, 11:22:36 am »
And people on touring bikes?  The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2013, 11:32:28 am »
And people on touring bikes?  The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D

Like we explained to our reception staff (they're not bike-savvy)
"If it has flickers and a number plate and doesn't sound like a crappy lawn-mower or an ANC Navara - let it in." :peepwall:
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"OVERSTEER" is when you hit the fence with your rear wheel.
"HORSEPOWER" is how fast you hit the fence.
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2013, 11:37:35 am »
And people on touring bikes?  The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D

You'll have to be pretty good to get a touring bike to Witsand.  In fact, to get a GS to Witsand when the roads are kak, will require you to be wide awake. 
 

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2013, 11:39:39 am »
Only allow WD's, then you know you won't get any riff-raff  :pot:
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2013, 11:46:30 am »
I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this, but what the hell...

So we've struggled like mad in the past to find a way of accommodating bikers on our nature reserve (Witsand Kalahari Nature Reserve, Northern Cape) but at the same time keeping the @#$^% hooligans out.

Or admission policy is basically that we allow
A) Street-legal, 4 stroke bikes only.
B) No quads, scramblers and k@k like that. :patch:
C) Bikes that comply with the other rules (mainly the noise factor)

How it's written out is "Street-legal motorcycles only"
Obviously we have the right of admission reserved, so occasionally have to chase idiots out, even though they arrive on adventure bikes.

We'd like to allow adventure bikes on our reserve, but how on earth do we keep people happy AND keep the riff-raff out?

I can fully understand why so many reserves go the simple route and ban all bikes of all descriptions, but it's a shame to exclude all the people who are decent and responsible riders.

I could rant about bikes in nature reserves for days, so I'll shut up now. :biggrin: :peepwall:

Do you agree with our policy of an "adventure bikes only" kinda thing and what are your thoughts? (I'll appreciate the feedback as this is a always a headache to deal with.)

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2013, 11:47:40 am »
The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2013, 11:48:06 am »
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2013, 11:51:44 am »
Put this in your brochure and on your website. Tell your staff to hand this to each rider and ask them to sign it.

"You are entering a reserve. Motorcycles have a mostly undeservedly bad reputation for making the experience unpleasant for others.

Going off the roads, racing and sliding the bike, loud exhausts, revving at night are just some examples of our past experience. Despite this we really do understand this has been the examples set by an uncaring few. Sadly you all get painted with this brush.

With the greatest respect to women, we would appreciate if you rode like a girl in our reserve and help us keep this reserve open to all to enjoy"

Don't only make rules to address the issue. Address the issue directly too.
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2013, 12:02:00 pm »
And people on touring bikes?  The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D

Like we explained to our reception staff (they're not bike-savvy)
"If it has flickers and a number plate and doesn't sound like a crappy lawn-mower or an ANC Navara - let it in." :peepwall:
Ek dink julle belied is 100% korrek.

However an after market pipe used properly may sometimes be just as quite as an OEM. :deal:

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2013, 12:05:59 pm »
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2013, 01:28:36 pm »
Just refuse entry to KTM's
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2013, 02:11:12 pm »
Wonderful that u will let bikes in...we did a lovely spot of game viewing from our bikes this morning...guard just waved us in...what a pleasure!

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2013, 02:29:40 pm »
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2013, 02:33:34 pm »
The criteria should maybe described as "street legal, registered and licenced bikes" with a proviso that it should not be noisy.....no one with an aftermarket exhaust allowed........ so there you with the Akropovic noise box on the bike, go home >:D
That is fair Comment.


I'd agree on this as well........... Nature Reserve = Animals ..... loud pipes and noisy bikes will defeat the object of going into a reserve to see and enjoy the animals....
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2013, 03:09:26 pm »
I won't take my road legal bike into a nature reserve where people are watching game. Damn thing too noisy. But I would appreciate it if I am allowed to ride to the campsite and park it.

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2013, 06:52:19 pm »
I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this, but what the hell...

So we've struggled like mad in the past to find a way of accommodating bikers on our nature reserve (Witsand Kalahari Nature Reserve, Northern Cape) but at the same time keeping the @#$^% hooligans out.

Or admission policy is basically that we allow
A) Street-legal, 4 stroke bikes only.
B) No quads, scramblers and k@k like that. :patch:
C) Bikes that comply with the other rules (mainly the noise factor)

How it's written out is "Street-legal motorcycles only"
Obviously we have the right of admission reserved, so occasionally have to chase idiots out, even though they arrive on adventure bikes.

We'd like to allow adventure bikes on our reserve, but how on earth do we keep people happy AND keep the riff-raff out?

I can fully understand why so many reserves go the simple route and ban all bikes of all descriptions, but it's a shame to exclude all the people who are decent and responsible riders.

I could rant about bikes in nature reserves for days, so I'll shut up now. :biggrin: :peepwall:

Do you agree with our policy of an "adventure bikes only" kinda thing and what are your thoughts? (I'll appreciate the feedback as this is a always a headache to deal with.)

Instead of trying to restrict the type of bike, when its actually the type of person you are trying to exclude, why don't you put up a sign that says something like:

1) Motorcyclists are not allowed in general due to previous bad experiences with hooligans who have no respect for animals or other people.
2) However at the sole discretion of the gate attendant they make exceptions.  They do not have to explain their decision as right of admission is strictly reserved.
3) In the rare case an exception is made, the motorcycle may only be ridden directly to the camp ground and parked there for the duration of the stay.

That way you can leave it up to the guard, if they don't like the look of people they can refuse and just point to the sign without any further explanation necessary.  As managers you can coach the guards what types to allow and what types to exclude.
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2013, 07:03:34 pm »
I like the ideas on the rules, but I guess the most important thing is to enforce it properly and simply remove the bad apples.  Get well known for being strict and the bad boys should stay away.  It is expensive to book a week(end) and then be asked to leave the first night.

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2013, 07:10:37 pm »
I think you should keep it to adventure/street legal bikes only, with a warning to bikers to respect the environment and others around them.
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2013, 07:21:50 pm »
Look, a guy entering a reserve on a bike or in a car and does not realise that he/she should take it easy, should not be there in the 1st place.

Problem is that by the time you know he should not have been there, he's inside.

Ban all bikes. :pot: