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Offline jpcussen

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2014, 09:28:41 pm »
Look at the HP difference and then see if you want to potter around on the Tenere or fly on the KTM
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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2014, 08:13:05 am »
Long distances, touring, the Yamaha.

Playing around the house, the KTM 690.

Easy decision when you break it down logically.

Now make your decision.
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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2014, 07:51:33 pm »
The fact that very, very few 690's have high KMS on them really just says it all.

Met die KTM draai jy al om die kospotte soos n lui huisvlieg.
 

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2014, 08:48:56 pm »
IMHO, TBO (Time Between Overalls) will be less on the Tenere.  Yes, the Tenere is less powerful but it is under-stressed compared to the KTM.  Not to mention cost of ownership and spares.  Just my 5c...
 

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2014, 01:43:53 pm »
If you were to cross a desert, or a continent, would you take a mule or a Durban July racehorse?

Work out for yourselves which is which. :imaposer:
 

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2014, 04:00:17 pm »
If you were to cross a desert, or a continent, would you take a mule or a Durban July racehorse?

Work out for yourselves which is which. :imaposer:


I agree with 2strokeDan - if I wanted a mule, I would get the Tenere. And it would probably be slower but more comfortable.
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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2014, 02:07:25 pm »
Don't Shimwells do a hop-up conversion for the 660 motor? Anyone have any input on it?
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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2014, 04:47:10 pm »
Don't Shimwells do a hop-up conversion for the 660 motor? Anyone have any input on it?

They did one conversion to 700 or 720 cc - there was write-up in one of the biking magazines, not sure which one. When I asked them about 2 years back, the cost was about R 9000.

However when I needed more power on mine - as the standard is very sedate, I did not go that route as I was worried about reliability as this affect moving parts - and reliability for solo and remote rides was one of the key reasons for me to buy Tenere. The bike seems choked way to much so instead I did the following:
- DNA stage 3 filter (it already had stage 2) - makes big difference, but lowers significantly air intake so not good for water crossings.
- LV pipes - just because they do not have catalytic converter and are reasonably quiet (still bloody loud)
- PCV - I bought the bike with it, but you can probably achieve most of the improvements without it just by changing standard map on the dyno (I was told).
- I have had throttle body drilled for bigger diameter to increase air inflow. This was done with the prior upgrades on already, but subjectively made the biggest difference (but may not without DNA stage 3). The bike revs much freer throughout the revs and feels much more lively.
- got the bike dynoed for proper air/fuel mixture (results in the attached sheet - I understand this is not a science and numbers may differ on different set-ups)

With those (and the suspension upgrades!) Tenere performs quite well and I'm now happy to keep it - without them I would have probably sold it already and probably bought Husky Terra.

But as was said before comparing it to 690 is not right - completely different bikes. 690 will be way better for shorter multiday trips in more challenging terrain (Lesotho, Kaokoland, etc.), but getting there on it or commute is just plain silly IMO (I have Husky 630 for those trips and would not use it for long adventure trips - have done it, but now use it exactly for those more focused trips and trailer the bike there). And maybe for weekend rides, but them I'm sure KTM 500 - 530 would be much better (not for maintenance though). For commuting and longer distance adv trips (just came from two weeks in Bots and Zim) Tenere beats it hands down IMO.

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2014, 07:21:07 pm »
IMHO, TBO (Time Between Overalls) will be less on the Tenere.  Yes, the Tenere is less powerful but it is under-stressed compared to the KTM.  Not to mention cost of ownership and spares.  Just my 5c...
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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2014, 07:56:14 pm »
The fact that very, very few 690's have high KMS on them really just says it all.

Met die KTM draai jy al om die kospotte soos n lui huisvlieg.


Hie hie , Daan hoe lekker lag ek nou .

Tenere :  sal jou in meeste gevalle  nooit in die steek laat nie , betroubaar , dit raak eintlik boring , sal jou altyd bring waar jy wil wees . Kan selfs pillion en lekker teen 140kmh kuier op die blou paaie . Beslis nie n fiets wat moet onderskat word nie . Nogal lig op brandstof ook . Hierdie een ry jy as jy jou vrou , Ex , girlfriend etc. wil saamneem op jou ekskursie .

690  :  Flippen hooligan fiets , hou nie van toer of lang afstande nie , brandstofverbruik uit die bose , GEEN pillion , hierdie een ry jy as jy van jou vrou , Ex, of girlfriend wil wegkom en net wil padvat .
 

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2014, 11:36:46 am »
Tenere :  sal jou in meeste gevalle  nooit in die steek laat nie , betroubaar , dit raak eintlik boring , sal jou altyd bring waar jy wil wees . Kan selfs pillion en lekker teen 140kmh kuier op die blou paaie . Beslis nie n fiets wat moet onderskat word nie . Nogal lig op brandstof ook . Hierdie een ry jy as jy jou vrou , Ex , girlfriend etc. wil saamneem op jou ekskursie .

690  :  Flippen hooligan fiets , hou nie van toer of lang afstande nie , brandstofverbruik uit die bose , GEEN pillion , hierdie een ry jy as jy van jou vrou , Ex, of girlfriend wil wegkom en net wil padvat .

That is the most spot on summary!   :imaposer:
 

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2014, 08:01:45 pm »
Kry 'n 990!
 

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2014, 08:16:21 pm »
Daai 990 het hopeloos te min rebound damping.
 

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2014, 08:22:12 pm »
 ;D  Jip, setup was heel uit, die landing was nogal iets om te sien. Die tweeling was vir dae lank seer!

Net daar alles oor gestel, toe is daai 990 witwarm op die sand
 

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2014, 08:33:40 pm »

Tenere :  sal jou in meeste gevalle  nooit in die steek laat nie , betroubaar , dit raak eintlik boring , sal jou altyd bring waar jy wil wees . Kan selfs pillion en lekker teen 140kmh kuier op die blou paaie . Beslis nie n fiets wat moet onderskat word nie . Nogal lig op brandstof ook . Hierdie een ry jy as jy jou vrou , Ex , girlfriend etc. wil saamneem op jou ekskursie .

690  :  Flippen hooligan fiets , hou nie van toer of lang afstande nie , brandstofverbruik uit die bose , GEEN pillion , hierdie een ry jy as jy van jou vrou , Ex, of girlfriend wil wegkom en net wil padvat .


Perfekte opsomming en beskrywing.  :thumleft:

 

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2014, 08:52:24 pm »
So I decided to rather fix up my 650 GS DAKAR. Pimped it out a bit. Save up a while and then get a nice enduro or rally bike some time in 2014... Keep the Dakkie for trips and comuting and get a nice light bike for playing.

Will post for advice once the financial hangover gets better...


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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2014, 10:04:43 pm »
Good choice

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Re: KTM or TENERE ??
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2014, 07:04:26 am »
KTM....all the way :thumleft:
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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2014, 07:08:49 am »
 

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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2014, 08:00:32 pm »
KTM....all the way :thumleft:

To where??

The garage , (Kry Tools Meneer)

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