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e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« on: January 04, 2014, 07:07:37 pm »
I'm going with Option 4 - I believe it's the only way to stop this kark
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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2014, 07:46:33 pm »
Considered paying until they put petrol price up on 1 Jan. Faark them. That in my opinion is spite for not paying tolls. Come fetch your money.
 

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2014, 03:25:53 pm »
This speech by Martin Luther King Jr on unjust laws, is what we should keep in mind

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2014, 04:18:33 pm »
With the number of toll gates I pass per day, I have already accumulated over R1400 in December by not being registered, and I only worked 13 days in Dec.  My wife's car accumulated over R800. 

I just can not afford to play this delay-tactic and then paying one huge amount in any case a few months down the line.  So, I decided to get e-tagged and rather donate a couple of hundred per month to OUTA for their future court cases.

If I would have used the highways just occasionally, it would have been a different story and I would definitely not register.





   
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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2014, 04:28:05 pm »
With the number of toll gates I pass per day, I have already accumulated over R1400 in December by not being registered, and I only worked 13 days in Dec.  My wife's car accumulated over R800. 

I just can not afford to play this delay-tactic and then paying one huge amount in any case a few months down the line.  So, I decided to get e-tagged and rather donate a couple of hundred per month to OUTA for their future court cases.

If I would have used the highways just occasionally, it would have been a different story and I would definitely not register.





   

I understand  :thumleft: but please donate to OUTA, as we might still win this fight
 

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2014, 04:30:33 pm »
With the number of toll gates I pass per day, I have already accumulated over R1400 in December by not being registered, and I only worked 13 days in Dec.  My wife's car accumulated over R800. 

I just can not afford to play this delay-tactic and then paying one huge amount in any case a few months down the line.  So, I decided to get e-tagged and rather donate a couple of hundred per month to OUTA for their future court cases.

If I would have used the highways just occasionally, it would have been a different story and I would definitely not register.





   

I am with you on this one. I can't sit back and wait for an account that accumulated over months, just can't affort it. I rather got tagged and get the discounted tarriff. I don't like the idea at all for it is costing me money but the main benefit is that the tag works on Bakwena and I use Bakwena on a regular basis. No more sitting in the quee. The poll should be amended with an option 'do you alredy have a tag'
I see there is rightfully a lot of ressistance but amazingly chatted on the road to quite a few WD's with tags. All feel the same: 'we cabnot affort supprises and would rather pay up'.

As ek geld se baas was sou ek ook gekyk het hoe lank ek SANRAL kon rondfoeter, en ook as ek nie onder kontrak vir hulle gewerk het nie
 

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2014, 04:35:32 pm »
With the number of toll gates I pass per day, I have already accumulated over R1400 in December by not being registered, and I only worked 13 days in Dec.  My wife's car accumulated over R800. 

I just can not afford to play this delay-tactic and then paying one huge amount in any case a few months down the line.  So, I decided to get e-tagged and rather donate a couple of hundred per month to OUTA for their future court cases.

If I would have used the highways just occasionally, it would have been a different story and I would definitely not register.





   

I am with you on this one. I can't sit back and wait for an account that accumulated over months, just can't affort it. I rather got tagged and get the discounted tarriff. I don't like the idea at all for it is costing me money but the main benefit is that the tag works on Bakwena and I use Bakwena on a regular basis. No more sitting in the quee. The poll should be amended with an option 'do you alredy have a tag'
I see there is rightfully a lot of ressistance but amazingly chatted on the road to quite a few WD's with tags. All feel the same: 'we cabnot affort supprises and would rather pay up'.

As ek geld se baas was sou ek ook gekyk het hoe lank ek SANRAL kon rondfoeter, en ook as ek nie onder kontrak vir hulle gewerk het nie

that's similar to Option 1
 

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2014, 05:16:00 pm »
by getting taggeed you are helping the fraudsters steal yours , and eventually  eveeryone elses money , a bit like buying stolen goods , or the more serious analigy , bitching about kiddie porn , but renting the movies


 if ...... and this is a big "if" , and scumral do win this , and ultimately win the right to the money they say i "owe" THEM , THEY WILL BE GETTING IT IN 5 RAND A MONTH INSTALMENTS 
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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2014, 07:36:00 pm »
I'm sorry but getting an e-tag and trying to justify it here is like arriving at school on casual Friday in your school uniform because you were too dof to remember casual Friday and then trying to convince everybody that you are actually wearing your uniform out of respect for the school rules..... :lol8:

At the moment I qualify for the 100% discount.

Until they can prove that:
E-tolls and the collection of e-tolls fully comply with the constitution
They can prove that I have received a valid itemized invoice as per the the e-tolls act
They prove in a court of law that it was me/my vehicle

To those that have e-tags. You are responsible for this corrupt and idiotic system actually going live. May you pay and pay and pay....... :pot:
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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2014, 08:16:38 pm »
I'm sorry but getting an e-tag and trying to justify it here is like arriving at school on casual Friday in your school uniform because you were too dof to remember casual Friday and then trying to convince everybody that you are actually wearing your uniform out of respect for the school rules..... :lol8:

At the moment I qualify for the 100% discount.

Until they can prove that:
E-tolls and the collection of e-tolls fully comply with the constitution
They can prove that I have received a valid itemized invoice as per the the e-tolls act
They prove in a court of law that it was me/my vehicle

To those that have e-tags. You are responsible for this corrupt and idiotic system actually going live. May you pay and pay and pay....... :pot:

you is what we need!  :thumleft:
 

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2014, 08:41:14 pm »
 :thumleft: good for you, I am not going to get involved and personnal. I and many others decided to play safe. Over 1,6 million others to be more spesific. Don't ask me where I got the numbers, not thumb sucking though...it's for real. Cheers :)
 

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2014, 08:45:41 pm »
:thumleft: good for you, I am not going to get involved and personnal. I and many others decided to play safe. Over 1,6 million others to be more spesific. Don't ask me where I got the numbers, not thumb sucking though...it's for real. Cheers :)

if that number is true (which I doubt), this country is fucked!

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2014, 09:18:12 pm »
There is absolutely no need to harbour or express ill feelings and comments against those on this forum that have decided to rather buy tags because their better judgment was so inclined.

If a man thinks it wise to do so, respect him ! Most certainly another two or three people that buy these tags will not in any way detract from the masses that are taking action against doing so.

We are all grown men, and part and parcel of winning this war is to act with maturity and to think logically. If you lose the ability to think because of your emotional feelings you have lost the war !!!
 

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2014, 09:23:41 pm »
:thumleft: good for you, I am not going to get involved and personnal. I and many others decided to play safe. Over 1,6 million others to be more spesific. Don't ask me where I got the numbers, not thumb sucking though...it's for real. Cheers :)

if that number is true (which I doubt), this country is fucked!

Do they have to make a law that gives them the right to pierce your eyes out or rape you up the rear, before people stand up?

That is the number of tags being used as per vehicle (not registrations)
Some or companies with fleet of vehicles, some are individuals with let's say 2 regitered vehicles.
Just to be clear on the so called 'signed contract' and those who has signed are now under contract: that is not a contract but only a registration per vehicle that can be sold and de registered at any given time. You simply need to remove the tag, go to a service station with tag and the tags I'd card (pre paid account card) and de register it in person.
Anyway, I have voted and voiced my side of the story. Enough about this for now.
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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2014, 11:31:32 pm »
Tvg do you press working for sanral have to have an etag?

Much as some may call you names for having a tag it is my honest belief that they may wish to see sanral fail. . But they would not want to see you unemployed. ... dogs are not like that. ....


Personally I hope you find something else soon. I cannot see sanral forcing people to pay in the short to medium term.. and government will not ball them out indefinitely.  Even if they refuse to review car licences. . Can the government afford an eighty percent loss of licence fee revenue? 


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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2014, 06:57:48 am »
Tvg do you press working for sanral have to have an etag?

Much as some may call you names for having a tag it is my honest belief that they may wish to see sanral fail. . But they would not want to see you unemployed. ... dogs are not like that. ....


Personally I hope you find something else soon. I cannot see sanral forcing people to pay in the short to medium term.. and government will not ball them out indefinitely.  Even if they refuse to review car licences. . Can the government afford an eighty percent loss of licence fee revenue? 


Hindsight is a wonderful thing. .a year from now I wonder where the chips will lay. ...



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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2014, 07:13:18 am »
I reckon that by end of April/May E-toll will be just like the National Health Insurance....... dead & gone...... Hopefully the registered people can try to claim their expenses back... but I wonder? :peepwall:

Just before the elections, the powers- what- be most probably will scrap this system and say they "listened to the people" in order to swing votes....  :deal: >:D
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2014, 07:21:28 am »

Just before the elections, the powers- what- be most probably will scrap this system and say they "listened to the people" in order to swing votes....  :deal: >:D

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2014, 07:50:19 am »
Tvg do you press working for sanral have to have an etag?

Much as some may call you names for having a tag it is my honest belief that they may wish to see sanral fail. . But they would not want to see you unemployed. ... dogs are not like that. ....


Personally I hope you find something else soon. I cannot see sanral forcing people to pay in the short to medium term.. and government will not ball them out indefinitely.  Even if they refuse to review car licences. . Can the government afford an eighty percent loss of licence fee revenue? 


Hindsight is a wonderful thing. .a year from now I wonder where the chips will lay. ...

Yes mate at least you know and recall that I was without a job for close to a year. As it is nowdays with medics the market is flooded. Back in 2004 uip to 2009 companies got my e mail from who knows where and offered me jobs as I am a well experienced remote site medic. I have been a medic since 1999 after national service and in EMS SA (fire, medical,rescue and hazmat) for close to 15 years before I continued my career abroad. However, the Gov set ou bursaries to help grade 12's with career oppertuneties and the marked is now flooded with thousands of young well qualified medics and still huge groups of student are being trained. Course name; ECT - 2 years

So I have advertised all over, swallowed my pride and even asked on WD's for help. So a WD helped met to get into ER24 and unto the Sanral project as a motorbike medic. Now I am here and of course before the 3rd of Dec one of the directors urged employees to get tagged and even took us into the service station. So what do you do as an employee, do you kick against it and tell your boss you will never? Easy to sit on the side and make comments, being in the deep water is another story. So yes, that is my side of the story and like mentioned above, I can't affort to 'maybe' get nasty suprizes later on and forsed to pay and play the catch up game. This is what most other people do as well. All other WD's even that got tagged said the same, they are alreaddy on a budged and don't want to be forced to pay later and play the catch up game. We all are obviously against it because we as workers claas feel it. Yes like I said before, there is at least some sort of a service that you pay for (but is should be there in any way) and the only real benefit I have or like is that the tag works on bakwena and now safes the frustration (especially fridays) of a quee.

I am still looking for contract work or other work that pays better, but for now I am stuck in the 'sanral orange uniform' and need to make the best of it. I would love to see this system fail, but I can't participate in it.

Remember the threat about; would you spend R100 000 on your dog for knee replacement?
My answer was no because I cannot affort it; but if I was still earning big money abroad I woul have spent that money on my dog yes! This is the same scenario, the poor people rather get tagged, pay discounted tarrifs and play safe because all are scared that if sanral wins this they will have to catch up......if this doesn't make sense to any one I must rather accept that I'm an idiot then ???
 

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Re: e-toll billing: So what are you going to do?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2014, 09:49:18 am »

Yes mate at least you know and recall that I was without a job for close to a year. As it is nowdays with medics the market is flooded. Back in 2004 uip to 2009 companies got my e mail from who knows where and offered me jobs as I am a well experienced remote site medic. I have been a medic since 1999 after national service and in EMS SA (fire, medical,rescue and hazmat) for close to 15 years before I continued my career abroad. However, the Gov set ou bursaries to help grade 12's with career oppertuneties and the marked is now flooded with thousands of young well qualified medics and still huge groups of student are being trained. Course name; ECT - 2 years

So I have advertised all over, swallowed my pride and even asked on WD's for help. So a WD helped met to get into ER24 and unto the Sanral project as a motorbike medic. Now I am here and of course before the 3rd of Dec one of the directors urged employees to get tagged and even took us into the service station. So what do you do as an employee, do you kick against it and tell your boss you will never? Easy to sit on the side and make comments, being in the deep water is another story. So yes, that is my side of the story and like mentioned above, I can't affort to 'maybe' get nasty suprizes later on and forsed to pay and play the catch up game. This is what most other people do as well. All other WD's even that got tagged said the same, they are alreaddy on a budged and don't want to be forced to pay later and play the catch up game. We all are obviously against it because we as workers claas feel it. Yes like I said before, there is at least some sort of a service that you pay for (but is should be there in any way) and the only real benefit I have or like is that the tag works on bakwena and now safes the frustration (especially fridays) of a quee.

I am still looking for contract work or other work that pays better, but for now I am stuck in the 'sanral orange uniform' and need to make the best of it. I would love to see this system fail, but I can't participate in it.

Remember the threat about; would you spend R100 000 on your dog for knee replacement?
My answer was no because I cannot affort it; but if I was still earning big money abroad I woul have spent that money on my dog yes! This is the same scenario, the poor people rather get tagged, pay discounted tarrifs and play safe because all are scared that if sanral wins this they will have to catch up......if this doesn't make sense to any one I must rather accept that I'm an idiot then ???

TVB, I think most of us here understand your situation and have empathy with you :thumleft: - what we don't like, is hearing e-toll positive comments - you could help us, by trying to find out how big a problem duplicate plates are or other problems that Sanral is having, such as tracing owners or difficult number plates to identify
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