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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #100 on: February 24, 2014, 09:16:21 am »
 :3some: pity i thought the debate between a Z and 690 would have ended a lot better in which we all agree and have a beer...  :deal: :imaposer: :peepwall:
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #101 on: February 24, 2014, 09:21:15 am »
Ja but which beer is the best...... >:D
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #102 on: February 24, 2014, 09:24:17 am »
I bet u haters listen to Bieber too hey...

what a seriously kark thread, mods delete it ...please ...


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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #103 on: February 24, 2014, 09:25:00 am »
hands down. without a doubt. above any other beer ever made in the history of beers since the beginning of beer 'windy corner' is the winner. anyone else who disagrees with that doesn't know beer. :pot:
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #104 on: February 24, 2014, 09:25:39 am »
 
Ja but which beer is the best...... >:D

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #105 on: February 24, 2014, 09:34:00 am »
I bet u haters listen to Bieber too hey...

what a seriously kark thread, mods delete it ...please ...
Moet die mods die thread sommer delete oor dat U Hoogheid nie van hom hou nie  ??? ::) ::)

As ons 'n thread moes delete elke keer wat iemand kak praat oor 'n bwm was daar fokol op die forum so as jy dit nie like nie, lees iets anders

I bet u love Bieber too hey ...

I like him more than people who never contribute to ride reports, never have constructive input, yet still shit on everything else  :deal:

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #106 on: February 24, 2014, 09:37:38 am »
I like this debate thank you

And actually I agree with most 2SD is saying.  The XTZ is a new bike with an old engine - so its 50% 'newly designed'.  Is that a bad thing?  By all means no.  Nothing wrong with an adequate older but proven motor in a new guise.  The KLR's motor imo is not 100% adequate at altitude for highway riding.  I had one for nearly 5 years - but it was the old shape one.  the 660 is a better performing one.

If I had money to through around I would buy a XTZ without a doubt.  Think the bike is ideal for d/s touring.  But spending more that R100k on a old mill in a new guise is not for me.  

The 690 imo is something special.  Its unique and more suited to Africa's 'hardebaarde' who were bitching about bikes only being made for Europe's streets.  Last time something like this came out was the 640 and XR650r.  Yamaha does not have anything in this market.  The are focusing on the 450 market in this guise it seems?

I would like both the 690 and XTZ in my garage if possible. But will still use the XR4 or Xr250 at makekeng's trails though.
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #107 on: February 24, 2014, 09:40:18 am »
I like this debate thank you

And actually I agree with most 2SD is saying.  The XTZ is a new bike with an old engine - so its 50% 'newly designed'.  Is that a bad thing?  By all means no.  Nothing wrong with an adequate older but proven motor in a new guise.  The KLR's motor imo is not 100% adequate at altitude for highway riding.  I had one for nearly 5 years - but it was the old shape one.  the 660 is a better performing one.

If I had money to through around I would buy a XTZ without a doubt.  Think the bike is ideal for d/s touring.  But spending more that R100k on a old mill in a new guise is not for me.  

The 690 imo is something special.  Its unique and more suited to Africa's 'hardebaarde' who were bitching about bikes only being made for Europe's streets.  Last time something like this came out was the 640 and XR650r.  Yamaha does not have anything in this market.  The are focusing on the 450 market in this guise it seems?

I would like both the 690 and XTZ in my garage if possible. But will still use the XR4 or Xr250 at makekeng's trails though.
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #108 on: February 24, 2014, 09:44:07 am »
 
Ja but which beer is the best...... >:D

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Let's wait, Daan will soon tell....

Look, these dopey old farts still dreaming of the good old days of German/ British/ Belgian/Namibian beer will eventually have to concede that Japanese beer is best.
And the Chinese may flood the market with their cheap and nasty rubbish , but it will be many years before they come right.  :imaposer:
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #109 on: February 24, 2014, 09:45:38 am »
When the 660Z came out, I actually wanted one with everything in me. I tried to arange a test ride for months but Yamaha didn't come to the party. I then ended up buying a 640 for about 40% of the price of a new Z

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2014, 09:50:22 am »
I like this debate thank you

And actually I agree with most 2SD is saying.  The XTZ is a new bike with an old engine - so its 50% 'newly designed'.  Is that a bad thing?  By all means no.  Nothing wrong with an adequate older but proven motor in a new guise.  The KLR's motor imo is not 100% adequate at altitude for highway riding.  I had one for nearly 5 years - but it was the old shape one.  the 660 is a better performing one.

If I had money to through around I would buy a XTZ without a doubt.  Think the bike is ideal for d/s touring.  But spending more that R100k on a old mill in a new guise is not for me.  

The 690 imo is something special.  Its unique and more suited to Africa's 'hardebaarde' who were bitching about bikes only being made for Europe's streets.  Last time something like this came out was the 640 and XR650r.  Yamaha does not have anything in this market.  The are focusing on the 450 market in this guise it seems?

I would like both the 690 and XTZ in my garage if possible. But will still use the XR4 or Xr250 at makekeng's trails though.
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2014, 09:56:26 am »

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2014, 10:01:30 am »

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #115 on: February 24, 2014, 10:23:38 am »
When the 660Z came out, I actually wanted one with everything in me. I tried to arange a test ride for months but Yamaha didn't come to the party. I then ended up buying a 640 for about 40% of the price of a new Z

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #116 on: February 24, 2014, 10:29:16 am »
...1. It is newly designed, from the ground up
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7. It has factory fitted and replaceble side-impact panels, a new and valuable foresight on a bike like this.
...

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The XT660Z engine is so new it still shares components with the XT500. And you dare to ridicule KLR's ??? The Minarelli 660 is an upgraded and bored out XT500 mill with bolt on liquid cooling :evil6:

The KLR mill being related to Kawasakis 1984's DOHC 16V liquid cooled inline fours originates almost a decade later than the XT :D

Do you call the BMW G650Sertao a newly designed bike or an old cart horse with a shoeshine job ???



The side impact panels are at least as new as the Honda ST1100 Pan European. 24 years to be precise. :lol8:


What does the 660 share with the XT500? The air that flows around it's engine? :imaposer:

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The Sertao is a carthorse without shoeshine.

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The crappy rattle-myself-loose primary gear nut and lock washer ::)

The Sertao an old cart horse without shoe shine - that is funny :evil6:
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #117 on: February 24, 2014, 11:27:16 am »
It seems everyone on this forum is searching for the ONE bike that can do it all, well guess what, it does not exist. Just like there is no one handgun caliber that can do it all, or one tyre that can do it all,or the best beer, we all buy the bike that suits us the best, and it might not be the best in all aspects, but it works very well for our intended purpose, and OK-ish for the other stuff.  And what is this obsession with all things new, everything is a version of what went before, nothing is absolutely new, and with good cause, because at least it has been tested by time and is reliable. Mark loves his pink 950, Alan loves his 610, and Dan loves "Yamaha". Each to his own. I am sure the 690 is a very good bike for it's intended purpose, and the Tenere for it's purpose, myself, I get the fever for a new bike every so often, like most of us do, but at the moment I need a bike that crashes well, I seem to do that often!
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #118 on: February 24, 2014, 11:41:22 am »
...1. It is newly designed, from the ground up
...
7. It has factory fitted and replaceble side-impact panels, a new and valuable foresight on a bike like this.
...

:laughing4:

The XT660Z engine is so new it still shares components with the XT500. And you dare to ridicule KLR's ??? The Minarelli 660 is an upgraded and bored out XT500 mill with bolt on liquid cooling :evil6:

The KLR mill being related to Kawasakis 1984's DOHC 16V liquid cooled inline fours originates almost a decade later than the XT :D

Do you call the BMW G650Sertao a newly designed bike or an old cart horse with a shoeshine job ???



The side impact panels are at least as new as the Honda ST1100 Pan European. 24 years to be precise. :lol8:

I just love this, who can argue with this from a man who knows what he is talking about!
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But a opinion from someone like Mark Hardy goes straight over your head?  Garfield should direct his "relevance" question to you.
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #119 on: February 24, 2014, 11:49:03 am »
Mark Hardy's post here are very relevant, not because he says what I have been saying, but because someone with great ability and experience is valueing the XT-Z for what it is designed to do.
And Mark likes it.

Just so I understand this, are you saying posts that agree with you are relevant and posts that disagree are not?


The explanation is in that very paragraph you put into question.........."because someone with great ability and experience is valueing [evaluating] the XT-Z"