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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #140 on: February 24, 2014, 05:32:37 pm »
OK here's my little contribution: I think the 660Z is the prettiest DS bike out there and was seriously thinking about getting one once. However, I still think it is a bit expensive for what you get.

Now: I don't know if you are familiar with the turnoff to Witsand about 4km's west of Heidelberg. I once dragged a 660Z for those few kilometers up that steepish incline and he barely managed to stay with the ancient 2005 KLR. OK, the KLR is geared a little bit shorter than stock, but still. I did not expect it. The other rider admitted to going full taps and unsuccessfully trying to catch me.

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #141 on: February 24, 2014, 05:44:13 pm »
I'd love to know why didn't ktm just put the 690 motor in the 640 frame and sell that? I would've been in line for on even if the design stayed the same
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #142 on: February 24, 2014, 05:53:00 pm »
I remember GJ actually staying with an 800GS up to I think an indicated 175.

GJ, come enlighten us.

O, he's probably standing somewhere along the road cleaning out that pesky injector. :imaposer:


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Re: Re: Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #143 on: February 24, 2014, 06:29:42 pm »
OK here's my little contribution: I think the 660Z is the prettiest DS bike out there and was seriously thinking about getting one once. However, I still think it is a bit expensive for what you get.

Now: I don't know if you are familiar with the turnoff to Witsand about 4km's west of Heidelberg. I once dragged a 660Z for those few kilometers up that steepish incline and he barely managed to stay with the ancient 2005 KLR. OK, the KLR is geared a little bit shorter than stock, but still. I did not expect it. The other rider admitted to going full taps and unsuccessfully trying to catch me.

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #144 on: February 24, 2014, 06:37:58 pm »
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #145 on: February 24, 2014, 07:30:23 pm »
I'd love to know why didn't ktm just put the 690 motor in the 640 frame and sell that? I would've been in line for on even if the design stayed the same

This must rate as one of the more serious mistakes, IMO, from the Austrian company. Why not a 690 Adventure?
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #146 on: February 24, 2014, 08:08:05 pm »
I do think the XTZ is overpriced. (shock, horror)  But then I don't know of any bike at that price I'd rather have than the XTZ.

So I guess I'll just have to work harder to afford a new one in a few years, since I've already put 45000 trouble-free kms on my current one in 3 years...
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #147 on: February 24, 2014, 08:19:44 pm »
I must still meet a person that buy a new KTM 690 and that is still the owner of the bike
with more than 30 000 km on the clock.  :patch:   :pot: 

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« Last Edit: February 24, 2014, 08:20:06 pm by Operator »
 

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Re: Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #148 on: February 24, 2014, 08:34:02 pm »
ah the tide is turning. so that's it then xtz best bike ever bar none. phew close one fellas. ;-)
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #149 on: February 24, 2014, 09:15:50 pm »
My 690 was the biggest dog of a bike I have ever owned and it really has put me off KTM for life.
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #150 on: February 24, 2014, 09:17:15 pm »
Both Baas Attie and GJ have long passed the 30000 mark. I've had mine 4 months and just passed 10000. Considering I use the 990 daily and only use the 690 for trips I think the 690 is a very able kilometer eater.

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #151 on: February 24, 2014, 09:25:08 pm »
I think the weight comparisons of the XTZ and the other bikes might be misleading. I've ridden all the bikes mentioned off road and the XTZ feels way lighter. Are all the bikes weighed with fuel and all etc. , or is the weight better distributed on the Yammie.

Weight on a dual sport bike can be both an advantage and disadvantage. Part of what makes the 690 such a great bike is its lack of weight , but this also makes it a bit of a handful on hard fast bumpy surfaces.
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #152 on: February 24, 2014, 09:41:19 pm »
I remember GJ actually staying with an 800GS up to I think an indicated 175.

GJ, come enlighten us.

O, he's probably standing somewhere along the road cleaning out that pesky injector. :imaposer:


Wat brand volgende, ek los julle ma wat so klomp kak praat, dis altyd interesant om te sien die ouens wat nie 690 het nie weet altyd die meeste.so ry ma jou yammie

Leer nou n slag tik, dan kan jy lekker saamgesels. :thumleft:
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #153 on: February 24, 2014, 11:00:59 pm »
I remember GJ actually staying with an 800GS up to I think an indicated 175.

GJ, come enlighten us.

O, he's probably standing somewhere along the road cleaning out that pesky injector. :imaposer:


Wat brand volgende, ek los julle ma wat so klomp kak praat, dis altyd interesant om te sien die ouens wat nie 690 het nie weet altyd die meeste.so ry ma jou yammie

Leer nou n slag tik, dan kan jy lekker saamgesels. :thumleft:


As jy n 690 gehad het was jy ook minder op die forum ,wie wil nou n vervelige  XT heeldag ry ;)
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #154 on: February 24, 2014, 11:04:40 pm »
I must still meet a person that buy a new KTM 690 and that is still the owner of the bike
with more than 30 000 km on the clock.  :patch:   :pot: 

:spitcoffee:

N KTM  wat net 10000 km hou is nog steets meer opwinding as enige vervelige XT :ricky:
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #155 on: February 25, 2014, 07:09:09 am »
I must still meet a person that buy a new KTM 690 and that is still the owner of the bike
with more than 30 000 km on the clock.  :patch:   :pot: 

:spitcoffee:

N KTM  wat net 10000 km hou is nog steets meer opwinding as enige vervelige XT :ricky:


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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #156 on: February 25, 2014, 07:24:20 am »
Wouldnt it be more appropriate to compare the 690 with the xt660R or am I completely wrong here?
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #157 on: February 25, 2014, 07:29:17 am »
Wouldnt it be more appropriate to compare the 690 with the xt660R or am I completely wrong here?

You are right in the sense that these two are a bit closer, since the XT-R is meant as a "scrambler" , like the 690. The 690's chassis and engine just make a mockery of any other
"scrambler" currently available.
As a performance single, the 690 is just too far above all else on the market for comparison. I am talking of current models, of course.
 

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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #158 on: February 25, 2014, 07:31:25 am »
I have never owned either bike, but that does not seem to make me less qualified than most people here.

My biggest gripe with the 660 Tenere is that it weighs 185kg dry . Thatís more than an 800GS, 950SE or HP2. So it has all the disadvantages of both a 650 class single and a big twin, and none of the benefits. While the engine, suspension and other components are not bad, they are not outstanding either.

The 690ís engine is considered by many to be the best single cylinder ever made. The bike also has top of the line components and a lot of effort has gone into making it as light as possible. So at least you know why it costs as much as it does.


I was almost lynched here before because I said the XT660R is 20kg to heavy and R20k too expensive to be a great bike.
I extend the compliment to the XT660Z.
At least the Z got away with the totally useless header pipe routing and the swing arm does not look as if it's made from a fence pole :cheers:

Don't get me wrong they both are good bikes but their girth prevents them from ascending to greatness. The price would be ok if they were 20 kg lighter. The weight would be acceptable if they were R20k cheaper. Sorry.

I never really considered a 640 because IMHO it's an insane bone shaker. A well performing one, true. But neither the heftier price tag not the better suspension and engine performance would have made me ride any better.
The 690 has the better engine by far be it only for not shaking fillings out of your teeth and idling smoothly at all temperatures.


Can we now please have a 640 Adventure with a 690 engine which lasts as if it was built in Japan?
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Re: Wilddog style comparing the XT660Z to the 690 Enduro R.
« Reply #159 on: February 25, 2014, 07:35:38 am »
The 690's chassis and engine just make a mockery of any other
"scrambler" currently available.
As a performance single, the 690 is just too far above all else on the market for comparison.

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