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Offline plaky

Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« on: March 05, 2014, 11:17:59 am »
My mate at work was pulled off and fined on the N2 in Cape Town by the infamous Inspector Gouws or whatever you call him, I could mention many other names!!! His first offence was for  not indicating lanes which my mate disputes. He also did not have number plates on his car. He was fined R500 for each plate and R300 for not indicating. He conviscated my mates license disk and said that the car is not roadworthy even though the number plates where in his windscreen. He got very aggressive with my mate when he started to question him so he back off in case he was going to get arrested. Do any of the Dogs know if this is legal what Mr Gouws did? How can he say that the car is not roadworthy?
I was also fined a few months ago for not indicating on my bike by this dude. Does anyone have a contact at Gallows Hill traffic dept where his boss can be notified of this dudes attitude?
 

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2014, 11:47:00 am »
Need some of these guys  :snorting: here in GP, loads of people braking the law now with e-tolls.
Your car/bike can be taken off the road if you fail to have number plates showing/ if he really wants to be a head ass about it.
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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 11:57:35 am »
Need some of these guys  :snorting: here in GP, loads of people braking the law now with e-tolls.
Your car/bike can be taken off the road if you fail to have number plates showing/ if he really wants to be a head ass about it.

You are wrong. Failure to display a number plate on a bike does not make the bike un- roadworthy.

I take it you are one of the wooshes with an etag?
 

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 12:03:06 pm »
Any vehicle without a numberplate is seen as not roadworthy by CCT traffic cops. They will pull you over and fine you. They can impound as well in extreme cases.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 12:18:54 pm »
Puuled a load of road bikes off at engen one stop on the N1 and fined them for no plates,they had to fit plates or have bikes collected
 

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 12:23:36 pm »
Any vehicle without a numberplate is seen as not roadworthy by CCT traffic cops. They will pull you over and fine you. They can impound as well in extreme cases.

They might be able to impound a car without plates, but not a bike. They need another reason to impound a bike (most I heard about was due to no licence disc)
 

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2014, 01:15:03 pm »
Need some of these guys  :snorting: here in GP, loads of people braking the law now with e-tolls.
Your car/bike can be taken off the road if you fail to have number plates showing/ if he really wants to be a head ass about it.

You are wrong. Failure to display a number plate on a bike does not make the bike un- roadworthy.

I take it you are one of the wooshes with an etag?


I do have a plate  but no e-tag, let Sanrail do there job, send me statements, they go straight to file 13(bin), if they wanna be assholes about it :snorting: they will load your bike onto trailers and send you on your way, hope you have a phone handy.
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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2014, 01:22:48 pm »
He did have plates but on the sills of the back and front window. He said to this D%%S that his plates kept being stolen so that his why he keeps them in the car. True or not is not the issue, can he take his licence disk away and ask for the car to be road worthy'd again? What does AARTO say re this? I am normally quite good on things like this especially fines, but this is a first for me! Why shoul the rules be different between cars and bikes aon this? He was given a white peice of paper to say that the car is registered but has two weeks to get plates on and car roadworthy. Money making scam again! Gouws also need to be sorted out and this is a bit extreeme, what about the taxi's on the N2 cuasing thier daily havoc!
 

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2014, 01:26:45 pm »
Any vehicle without a numberplate is seen as not roadworthy by CCT traffic cops. They will pull you over and fine you. They can impound as well in extreme cases.

They might be able to impound a car without plates, but not a bike. They need another reason to impound a bike (most I heard about was due to no licence disc)
Why would that be for a car but not a bike? I have a plate on, but it's perspex and a tad smaller then the required size(Bought it that way).
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2014, 04:05:39 pm »
Any vehicle without a numberplate is seen as not roadworthy by CCT traffic cops. They will pull you over and fine you. They can impound as well in extreme cases.

They might be able to impound a car without plates, but not a bike. They need another reason to impound a bike (most I heard about was due to no licence disc)
Why would that be for a car but not a bike? I have a plate on, but it's perspex and a tad smaller then the required size(Bought it that way).

This exact scenario happened to me in Somerset West on my roadbike at the beginning of last year. Not sure what the vark's name was, but he had a really bad attitude - in fact, I noticed a couple of the other cops at the roadblock shaking their heads and walking away when he started causing kak.

Long story short - I didn't have a plate on the bike. Have been fined R500 for this in the past. He declared the bike (Duc 999) unroadworthy for the following;
1) no red reflector
2) no numberplate light (bike didn't come with one - the rear light is angled to shine onto the numberplate)
3) In order to not appear to "obvious", I had told him that the numberplate bracket had broken. He stated that it had been removed, and that tampering with / changing the vehicle's "structure" after it had been roadworthy'd voided the roadworthiness of the vehicle (tell that to all the cars that replace standard rims with mags.....)

Apparently the "law" states that if there are 3 or more "deficiencies" on the vehicle, it is no longer roadworthy. So - he knew that the missing numberplate was a R500 fine, and could see that I didn't really mind that (fair bust), he went out of his way to make as much trouble as possible.

He threatened to impound the bike, but ended up tearing up the license disk, declaring the bike unroadworthy. (lovely thing about that is that if you have an accident between there and riding home, insurance won't cover you). He told me not to try to just obtain a copy of the licence disk / renew the license disk, as enatis would reflect that it had to be re-roadworthied.

Took it to be roadworthied, with no changes other than putting the plate back on. No questions asked. Cost R120, and about an hour of my time, so ended up cheaper than the R500 fine.

Bottom line is that he bent the law to suit his purposes / agenda. Left a REALLY bad taste.
 

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2014, 07:39:44 pm »
Any vehicle without a numberplate is seen as not roadworthy by CCT traffic cops. They will pull you over and fine you. They can impound as well in extreme cases.

They might be able to impound a car without plates, but not a bike. They need another reason to impound a bike (most I heard about was due to no licence disc)
Why would that be for a car but not a bike? I have a plate on, but it's perspex and a tad smaller then the required size(Bought it that way).

This exact scenario happened to me in Somerset West on my roadbike at the beginning of last year. Not sure what the vark's name was, but he had a really bad attitude - in fact, I noticed a couple of the other cops at the roadblock shaking their heads and walking away when he started causing kak.

Long story short - I didn't have a plate on the bike. Have been fined R500 for this in the past. He declared the bike (Duc 999) unroadworthy for the following;
1) no red reflector
2) no numberplate light (bike didn't come with one - the rear light is angled to shine onto the numberplate)
3) In order to not appear to "obvious", I had told him that the numberplate bracket had broken. He stated that it had been removed, and that tampering with / changing the vehicle's "structure" after it had been roadworthy'd voided the roadworthiness of the vehicle (tell that to all the cars that replace standard rims with mags.....)

Apparently the "law" states that if there are 3 or more "deficiencies" on the vehicle, it is no longer roadworthy. So - he knew that the missing numberplate was a R500 fine, and could see that I didn't really mind that (fair bust), he went out of his way to make as much trouble as possible.

He threatened to impound the bike, but ended up tearing up the license disk, declaring the bike unroadworthy. (lovely thing about that is that if you have an accident between there and riding home, insurance won't cover you). He told me not to try to just obtain a copy of the licence disk / renew the license disk, as enatis would reflect that it had to be re-roadworthied.

Took it to be roadworthied, with no changes other than putting the plate back on. No questions asked. Cost R120, and about an hour of my time, so ended up cheaper than the R500 fine.

Bottom line is that he bent the law to suit his purposes / agenda. Left a REALLY bad taste.


But Sam, you bent the law first. :pot:
 

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2014, 07:46:11 pm »
On what authority can aj officer tear up a licence disc?

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2014, 08:05:50 pm »
On what authority can aj officer tear up a licence disc?

In die SAW was daai vernietiging van staatseiendom. Gousdous sal vir hom n DD1 gekry het. :patch:
 

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2014, 08:13:44 pm »
Dis nogal snaaks, almal sal juig as onpadwaardige taxis van die pad af gehaal word. Maar dieselfde reels moenie vir jou geld nie.

Nee wat, vat jou pak.

Ek vat self kanse, maar as ek gevang word, gaan ek nie moan daaroor nie.

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2014, 08:19:16 pm »
Dis nogal snaaks, almal sal juig as onpadwaardige taxis van die pad af gehaal word. Maar dieselfde reels moenie vir jou geld nie.

Nee wat, vat jou pak.

Ek vat self kanse, maar as ek gevang word, gaan ek nie moan daaroor nie.



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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2014, 09:04:00 am »
Stem saam as die fiets nie padwaardig is nie, skeur die disk op. Die feit van die saak is dat 'n motorfiets sonder n nommerplaat nie onpadwaardig is nie, daar is 'n R 500.00 boete daarvoor. Pleks doen die misbaksel dit met die onpadwaardige taxis, busse en bakkies sonder remme en stuurwiele.
 

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2014, 09:14:49 am »
On what authority can aj officer tear up a licence disc?

In die SAW was daai vernietiging van staatseiendom. Gousdous sal vir hom n DD1 gekry het. :patch:


My point is that the licence disc is an official document. It serves little purpose to tear it up. Just do a reprint. Fact is he has no right to destroy your property....you paid for that disc. How can he alow you to drive without one? My bike and numberplate is always in top condition except for some dirt sometimes.

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2014, 09:19:19 am »
My damn number plate always fall off, it just won't stay in place, that is why I carry it in my luggage, so I do not loose it.

Was in a road block a couple of months ago, on my way to Harties, licence disk holder cracked through, luckily I spotted it and put it in my jacket pocket. Traffic cop had no issues with me.
 

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2014, 09:23:11 am »
My damn number plate always fall off, it just won't stay in place, that is why I carry it in my luggage, so I do not loose it.

Was in a road block a couple of months ago, on my way to Harties, licence disk holder cracked through, luckily I spotted it and put it in my jacket pocket. Traffic cop had no issues with me.

I guess it very much depend on the individual stopping you, but I cannot imagine doing nothing if some poephol gets smart as described in previous posts.

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Re: Gouws Traffic Ghost squad car at it again
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2014, 09:29:35 am »
Any vehicle without a numberplate is seen as not roadworthy by CCT traffic cops. They will pull you over and fine you. They can impound as well in extreme cases.

They might be able to impound a car without plates, but not a bike. They need another reason to impound a bike (most I heard about was due to no licence disc)
Why would that be for a car but not a bike? I have a plate on, but it's perspex and a tad smaller then the required size(Bought it that way).

This exact scenario happened to me in Somerset West on my roadbike at the beginning of last year. Not sure what the vark's name was, but he had a really bad attitude - in fact, I noticed a couple of the other cops at the roadblock shaking their heads and walking away when he started causing kak.

Long story short - I didn't have a plate on the bike. Have been fined R500 for this in the past. He declared the bike (Duc 999) unroadworthy for the following;
1) no red reflector
2) no numberplate light (bike didn't come with one - the rear light is angled to shine onto the numberplate)
3) In order to not appear to "obvious", I had told him that the numberplate bracket had broken. He stated that it had been removed, and that tampering with / changing the vehicle's "structure" after it had been roadworthy'd voided the roadworthiness of the vehicle (tell that to all the cars that replace standard rims with mags.....)

Apparently the "law" states that if there are 3 or more "deficiencies" on the vehicle, it is no longer roadworthy. So - he knew that the missing numberplate was a R500 fine, and could see that I didn't really mind that (fair bust), he went out of his way to make as much trouble as possible.

He threatened to impound the bike, but ended up tearing up the license disk, declaring the bike unroadworthy. (lovely thing about that is that if you have an accident between there and riding home, insurance won't cover you). He told me not to try to just obtain a copy of the licence disk / renew the license disk, as enatis would reflect that it had to be re-roadworthied.

Took it to be roadworthied, with no changes other than putting the plate back on. No questions asked. Cost R120, and about an hour of my time, so ended up cheaper than the R500 fine.

Bottom line is that he bent the law to suit his purposes / agenda. Left a REALLY bad taste.


But Sam, you bent the law first. :pot:


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