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Offline Rooikat

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Almost legal..........
« on: May 11, 2014, 01:30:14 pm »
Saw this at Waverley Plaza - one way of not paying for tolls! Can't be seen by cameras. As for being stopped - how many conscientious (or observant)cops out there?

Strangely quiet after elections......still early days to see whether these cretins are going to do something to enforce payment. I'm still never going to pay!
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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2014, 08:43:16 am »
This is probably the first thing I will do when I get my bike....  >:D
 

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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2014, 08:48:58 am »
I've seen this on plenty on-road bikes.
I'm curious about how it fits in with the law; does a plate need to be at a certain angle? Not covered from above?

Like you say, I doubt the cops are observant enough or know the laws well enough to be able to accurately prosecute someone with their plate like this.
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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2014, 08:58:33 am »
I've seen this on plenty on-road bikes.
I'm curious about how it fits in with the law; does a plate need to be at a certain angle? Not covered from above?

Like you say, I doubt the cops are observant enough or know the laws well enough to be able to accurately prosecute someone with their plate like this.

Number plate must be visible from behind (no law about above as far as I'm aware) plus must be at an angle not more than 30deg from vertical and numbers must be "right way up", so no number plates upside down.

Although the plate in the pic looks to be more than 30deg I don't think he'll get into trouble.
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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2014, 08:59:49 am »
Plate must be in plastic holder with white pop rivets at a certain angle with number plate light.
 

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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2014, 09:01:01 am »
Plate must be in plastic holder with white pop rivets at a certain angle with number plate light.

Where did you get this from?
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Re: Re: Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2014, 09:06:12 am »
Saw this at Waverley Plaza - one way of not paying for tolls! Can't be seen by cameras. As for being stopped - how many conscientious (or observant)cops out there?

Strangely quiet after elections......still early days to see whether these cretins are going to do something to enforce payment. I'm still never going to pay!

Trust me, it can be seen on cameras. The reason we are trying to fet the sabs and road agency to allow smaller plates for bikes again.

New tech cameras high res can get your numbers of your license disk if its unobstructed.
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2014, 09:09:52 am »
Saw this at Waverley Plaza - one way of not paying for tolls! Can't be seen by cameras. As for being stopped - how many conscientious (or observant)cops out there?

Strangely quiet after elections......still early days to see whether these cretins are going to do something to enforce payment. I'm still never going to pay!

Trust me, it can be seen on cameras. The reason we are trying to fet get the sabs and road agency to allow smaller plates for bikes again.

New tech cameras high res can get your numbers of your license disk if its unobstructed.

If you're referring to the eToll cameras you're mistaken.  It's a popular myth being thrown around.  Please don't fall for internet and social media scaremongering.

Plus, the plate at than angle can't be seen by the cameras.
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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2014, 09:26:15 am »
I've seen this on plenty on-road bikes.
I'm curious about how it fits in with the law; does a plate need to be at a certain angle? Not covered from above?

Like you say, I doubt the cops are observant enough or know the laws well enough to be able to accurately prosecute someone with their plate like this.

Number plate must be visible from behind (no law about above as far as I'm aware) plus must be at an angle not more than 30deg from vertical and numbers must be "right way up", so no number plates upside down.

Although the plate in the pic looks to be more than 30deg I don't think he'll get into trouble.

Under correction but the 30deg refer to the 'right way up' and not the inward/outward angle.
From the charge codes (1228): "Vehicle with the number plate not affixed thereto in an upright position or within 30° of such position"  R500 fine
But I would not try to defend the interpretation of that when a cop is fining me   ;)

Here are some other charge codes they might use for such a case:
"Vehicle with the number plate of the vehicle not affixed thereto in such a manner that each letter and figure thereon was clearly legible"
"Vehicle with a number plate of the said vehicle not affixed thereto in such a manner that the whole number plate was clearly visible"
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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2014, 09:30:01 am »
As I understand the "upright position" refers to both the angle inwards/outwards of the plate (as in the photo) as well as the rotation of the plate to have the numbers upright and readable.

But like you said, I won't get technical with a pig if he/she's busy writing me up...
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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2014, 09:52:13 am »
As I understand the "upright position" refers to both the angle inwards/outwards of the plate (as in the photo) as well as the rotation of the plate to have the numbers upright and readable.
But like you said, I won't get technical with a pig if he/she's busy writing me up...

I would not even get technical on the forum.  The way it is written it can refer to in/out as well as rotation.
Can't remember what I read that gave the impression it was only referring to the rotation. Might have been SABS code or even the unreliable internet.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2014, 12:16:35 pm »
Saw this at Waverley Plaza - one way of not paying for tolls! Can't be seen by cameras. As for being stopped - how many conscientious (or observant)cops out there?

Strangely quiet after elections......still early days to see whether these cretins are going to do something to enforce payment. I'm still never going to pay!

Trust me, it can be seen on cameras. The reason we are trying to fet get the sabs and road agency to allow smaller plates for bikes again.

New tech cameras high res can get your numbers of your license disk if its unobstructed.

If you're referring to the eToll cameras you're mistaken.  It's a popular myth being thrown around.  Please don't fall for internet and social media scaremongering.

Plus, the plate at than angle can't be seen by the cameras.
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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2014, 04:22:59 pm »
"From the charge codes (1228): "Vehicle with the number plate not affixed thereto in an upright position or within 30° of such position"  R500 fine"
What's ambiguous about that?
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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2014, 04:49:40 pm »
How much is the fine for not having a number plate at all?
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Re: Almost legal..........
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2014, 07:49:47 am »
How much is the fine for not having a number plate at all?


Usually it's:  "Sorry officer, I just got the bike and haven't had a chance to order a plate yet" followed by "Please make sure you install your plate ASAP otherwise you will be fined"  (happened to me couple of times).

If you're unlucky probably R500 fine.
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