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Tyres used in Namaqua
« on: May 27, 2014, 04:35:08 pm »
Hey all. I know there was a thread on Amageza for comments on tyres used and wear, feel, etc
Any chance the Namaqua guys can give us some insight as to what they used, Mileage, how the tyres faired?
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2014, 04:54:07 pm »
Used Michelin Desert Race - One front used for total race and still at least 50% tread left.  Used two rears of which both still have 50% tread.  They gonna be my practice tyres now, up until the Amageza.
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2014, 05:10:29 pm »
Used Michelin Desert Race - One front used for total race and still at least 50% tread left.  Used two rears of which both still have 50% tread.  They gonna be my practice tyres now, up until the Amageza.

Mark have you tried Mitas C23/E09 combo? Be interested in your opinion. I know DR is the de-facto standard in Dakar, but they're pricey here and the Mitas stuff did get a bit of showing at recent Dakars...

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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2014, 05:38:54 pm »
Used Michelin Desert Race - One front used for total race and still at least 50% tread left.  Used two rears of which both still have 50% tread.  They gonna be my practice tyres now, up until the Amageza.

Mark have you tried Mitas C23/E09 combo? Be interested in your opinion. I know DR is the de-facto standard in Dakar, but they're pricey here and the Mitas stuff did get a bit of showing at recent Dakars...

No, haven't tried any other tyre with my rally bike.  Since I got it, I simply took the advise of many Dakar riders opinions that they were the preferred tyre choice at the time.  However it does seem now other manufacturers have equally good tyres.  I have always just felt so confident with the Michelin's, particularly the front, never washed out on me, offroad or on the tar (touch wood), so I have just stuck with them.  Maybe a little pricier, but I feel the mileage that I am getting out of them justifies the price for my riding style.
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2014, 06:29:53 pm »
I used the Mitas E09 at the back and it lasted me the whole "race" and and still has about 40% left. Really like that tyre, I used one at Amageza and it lasted me the last 2 days.
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2014, 12:19:31 am »
Used Michelin Desert Race - One front used for total race and still at least 50% tread left.  Used two rears of which both still have 50% tread.  They gonna be my practice tyres now, up until the Amageza.

Mark have you tried Mitas C23/E09 combo? Be interested in your opinion. I know DR is the de-facto standard in Dakar, but they're pricey here and the Mitas stuff did get a bit of showing at recent Dakars...

@Max have you used that combo? I'm quite keen to try those out, what is your opinion on that combo?

Anyone try the bridge stone M403 front? opinions? I have one on the front and love it off road on varying terrain but very vibey on-road
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Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2014, 06:55:04 am »
Hey Mark - there's def cleverness in going with the established wisdom. After all, the rubber is the only bit that touches the track... hopefully! You were on mousses as well, I presume?

Goliath - I ran that combo for one Richtersveld trip on a 690. 130/18 on rear. Super tough tyres and great grip. Found the C23 much looser than, say, a T63 at speed on the open stuff but I think that's down to the longer knobs. Price-wise the combo is not much more than half the price of Deserts, so take your pick! :)

Back to Bonova's original question - what did other Namaqua guys use? I did see some 500's with a C23/C02 combo...

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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2014, 08:17:30 am »
Hey Mark - there's def cleverness in going with the established wisdom. After all, the rubber is the only bit that touches the track... hopefully! You were on mousses as well, I presume?

Goliath - I ran that combo for one Richtersveld trip on a 690. 130/18 on rear. Super tough tyres and great grip. Found the C23 much looser than, say, a T63 at speed on the open stuff but I think that's down to the longer knobs. Price-wise the combo is not much more than half the price of Deserts, so take your pick! :)

Back to Bonova's original question - what did other Namaqua guys use? I did see some 500's with a C23/C02 combo...
Used the C23/CO2 combo, think the CO2 was maybe too soft for the conditions (hardpack/fast) and makes the bike feel quite alive at the rear, think the Desert and E-09 would be better options, I was just afraid that with the sprockets and the 130 E-09 the bike would not get on it's legs..my 2c Can't think that it would be much different on the Amageza, except for the technical parts and that wouldn't be a problem for the E-09 as well..
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2014, 08:37:33 am »
Hey Mark - there's def cleverness in going with the established wisdom. After all, the rubber is the only bit that touches the track... hopefully! You were on mousses as well, I presume?


Yes, ran BIB mousses and they too have still got good life in them left. 
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2014, 08:57:35 am »
Hey Mark - there's def cleverness in going with the established wisdom. After all, the rubber is the only bit that touches the track... hopefully! You were on mousses as well, I presume?

Goliath - I ran that combo for one Richtersveld trip on a 690. 130/18 on rear. Super tough tyres and great grip. Found the C23 much looser than, say, a T63 at speed on the open stuff but I think that's down to the longer knobs. Price-wise the combo is not much more than half the price of Deserts, so take your pick! :)

Back to Bonova's original question - what did other Namaqua guys use? I did see some 500's with a C23/C02 combo...
Used the C23/CO2 combo, think the CO2 was maybe too soft for the conditions (hardpack/fast) and makes the bike feel quite alive at the rear, think the Desert and E-09 would be better options, I was just afraid that with the sprockets and the 130 E-09 the bike would not get on it's legs..my 2c Can't think that it would be much different on the Amageza, except for the technical parts and that wouldn't be a problem for the E-09 as well..

I am surprised you found the CO2 too soft - it is a red stripe hard compound and I have found it to wear really well and designated as 'Stoneking'. Used on my Husky 610 did a long Lesotho trip (both slab and lots of dirt) with rubber left. Maybe when new a bit nervous due to the longer nobs but settles nicely. Definitely more gnarley than a E09 which is also a great tyre but a bit more of a dually. I wonder how a Mitas E07 red stripe would do? Front I am really impressed by the Mitas EF06 and also the C19. 
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2014, 12:45:24 pm »
I am surprised you found the CO2 too soft - it is a red stripe hard compound and I have found it to wear really well and designated as 'Stoneking'. Used on my Husky 610 did a long Lesotho trip (both slab and lots of dirt) with rubber left. Maybe when new a bit nervous due to the longer nobs but settles nicely. Definitely more gnarley than a E09 which is also a great tyre but a bit more of a dually. I wonder how a Mitas E07 red stripe would do? Front I am really impressed by the Mitas EF06 and also the C19. 

How is the C19/C02 combo at speed - say over 120kph on dirt? On the 690 I found the C23/E09 combo extremely loose on open dirt, and I'd expect the C19/C02 to be much more so.

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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2014, 02:49:30 pm »
Hey Mark - there's def cleverness in going with the established wisdom. After all, the rubber is the only bit that touches the track... hopefully! You were on mousses as well, I presume?

Goliath - I ran that combo for one Richtersveld trip on a 690. 130/18 on rear. Super tough tyres and great grip. Found the C23 much looser than, say, a T63 at speed on the open stuff but I think that's down to the longer knobs. Price-wise the combo is not much more than half the price of Deserts, so take your pick! :)

Back to Bonova's original question - what did other Namaqua guys use? I did see some 500's with a C23/C02 combo...
Used the C23/CO2 combo, think the CO2 was maybe too soft for the conditions (hardpack/fast) and makes the bike feel quite alive at the rear, think the Desert and E-09 would be better options, I was just afraid that with the sprockets and the 130 E-09 the bike would not get on it's legs..my 2c Can't think that it would be much different on the Amageza, except for the technical parts and that wouldn't be a problem for the E-09 as well..

I am surprised you found the CO2 too soft - it is a red stripe hard compound and I have found it to wear really well and designated as 'Stoneking'. Used on my Husky 610 did a long Lesotho trip (both slab and lots of dirt) with rubber left. Maybe when new a bit nervous due to the longer nobs but settles nicely. Definitely more gnarley than a E09 which is also a great tyre but a bit more of a dually. I wonder how a Mitas E07 red stripe would do? Front I am really impressed by the Mitas EF06 and also the C19. 
Jip I know, but when I tested the tyre just before the race I could see wear after I  did a 20km sandy 2-spoor  section already which is not the case with the E-09, but the CO2 grabs quite good but feels scary going over 140km/h, not the E-09, but just my opinion though.. Run that Rally cross the last day and could feel I didn't have the same grip but better @ higher speeds..
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2014, 05:30:47 pm »
Jip I know, but when I tested the tyre just before the race I could see wear after I  did a 20km sandy 2-spoor  section already...

Jeez... that's pretty soft!

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2014, 05:39:47 pm »
Jip I know, but when I tested the tyre just before the race I could see wear after I  did a 20km sandy 2-spoor  section already...

Jeez... that's pretty soft!

Does not sound right - is a red stripe tyre (hard)? It does benefit from a heat cycle or two and needs to bed in a bit before tar use but is then a great nobby tyre IMO.
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2014, 02:39:34 am »
Did anyone use the Pirelli Scorpion Rally tyres? What bike you use them on?
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Re: Tyres used in Namaqua
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2014, 09:23:44 pm »
Bonova !
I use the C19`s/Mitas E09s mostly, but Mitas has a new yellow line EF06, light weight enduro front tyre.
I did Baviaans and back on it , very nice tyre, good  grip and didnt weave on the tar.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2014, 09:29:48 pm »
I think you may be referring to the EF06 I mentioned a few post above?
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2014, 09:40:55 pm »
Bonova !
I use the C19`s/Mitas E09s mostly, but Mitas has a new yellow line EF06, light weight enduro front tyre.
I did Baviaans and back on it , very nice tyre, good  grip and didnt weave on the tar.
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2014, 09:50:43 pm »
Good tyre  :thumleft:  Lightie using it on his KTM 200.
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