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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #80 on: March 24, 2008, 01:52:27 am »
Who gives a s**t what it looks like, its the ride thats important to me.

As for the space, Im sure TT will take up some, and the rest can be filled with a nice 500l fuel tank :D

If anyone can give me a minimum height for the 800 low profile seat version and the 650 height, I would be most grateful. I would look myself but unfortunetley the nearest BMW shop to here is about 6000km away :P
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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #81 on: March 24, 2008, 11:47:22 pm »
an interesting write-up

http://www.thinkbike.co.za/talk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16785&highlight=&sid=4c1975e35dd40b5d2258128e68bec015

This write up mentions that the new F650GS has in fact a 800cc machine, and alsewhere in this thread a mud island inhabitant reported the prices of the 650GS and the 850GS.

Which means I am now confused:  ???

If the new 650 has a 800 machine, how big is the F800GS-  850cc? or even bigger?
 

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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #82 on: March 25, 2008, 06:37:43 am »
an interesting write-up

http://www.thinkbike.co.za/talk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16785&highlight=&sid=4c1975e35dd40b5d2258128e68bec015

This write up mentions that the new F650GS has in fact a 800cc machine, and alsewhere in this thread a mud island inhabitant reported the prices of the 650GS and the 850GS.

Which means I am now confused:  ???

If the new 650 has a 800 machine, how big is the F800GS-  850cc? or even bigger?

The F650 and F800 use the same 800cc twin motor but for the F650 it is detuned to provide less Kw and Nm, it is also less suited to dual riding and is more of a commuter bike. The price is also about R20 000 less than the 800.
 

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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #83 on: March 25, 2008, 08:39:48 am »
I just read the launch report of the 650 & 800 in the superbike mag.
These okes normally don't like BMW, but rated the 800 very high.

They actually said, if you think the 990 is a great bike, you should test ride the 800.

So maybe the proof is in the riding!!



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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #84 on: March 25, 2008, 08:34:11 pm »
Saw them in the crates today at the dealer in Port Elizabeth. Hopefully they will be on the showroom floor tomorrow and I will be able to report back. Only thing is that I have mirracuesly (no idea how to actually spell it but u get my drift) moved from no:2 on the waiting list to no:14. Looks like the buddy system is working overtime......................
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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #85 on: March 25, 2008, 09:12:39 pm »
I sure hope they make a bash plate for that thang!
And Handguards, and protection for the silly 'inkpot' brakefluid reservoir which is so exposed ..... Why did they discontinue the 1150 integrated reservoirs ??
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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2008, 09:33:01 pm »
Who gives a s**t what it looks like, its the ride thats important to me.

As for the space, Im sure TT will take up some, and the rest can be filled with a nice 500l fuel tank :D

If anyone can give me a minimum height for the 800 low profile seat version and the 650 height, I would be most grateful. I would look myself but unfortunetley the nearest BMW shop to here is about 6000km away :P

I am 1.8m with the shoes I am wearing today and sat comfortably on the bike today with both my feet flat on the ground. even had the opportunity to take it for a short ride around the block. Got it for a full 2 hours at Friday. Awsome bike- something wierd thou - no belly protection what so ever!!!!! - will clear that up on Friday. Good news is that it looks like the centre stand comes standard with both the 650 & the 800.

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" I thought that the 800 was going to be a tad high for my 1.72m, but was able to put both feet on the ground. I'd say that the optional lower seat would probably only be necessary if you're shorter than 1.68m."  650 - " The seat hight is lower than the 800, at only 820mm, and optional lower seat you can reduce this even further to a very easy-going 790mm,"

Hope that helps you
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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2008, 10:43:26 pm »
Why would one want a detuned 800cc motor marketed as a 650???? - ever???

Its like buying a lame racing horse marketed as a donkey???

Only place I've ever heard of this was with outboard engines

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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2008, 08:43:26 am »
Cars do it

remember the 316 BMW?
 

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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #89 on: March 27, 2008, 10:52:52 am »
You mean BMW does it?  ;D

Kak idea, making something deliberately kak to protect your margins on the better model, and then callling it a 650

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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #90 on: March 27, 2008, 10:57:52 am »
Merc, has been doing it for years.
All the previous c classes were the same supercharged engine.
They just change the compression on the supercharger.

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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #91 on: March 27, 2008, 12:02:15 pm »
As a matter of interest, I've looked on BMWs website and don't see a price for this 800. Now that they've officially launched the bikes, does anyone know what they're retailing for?
 

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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #92 on: March 27, 2008, 06:39:32 pm »
R88 500 for Standard and R97500 for full house  650 = R7500 & R80 000 for full house ( at that price I hope it includes sun roof, electric windows, leather seats oh and yes heated grips & ABS and hill decend control)
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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #93 on: March 27, 2008, 07:09:09 pm »
Merc, has been doing it for years.
All the previous c classes were the same supercharged engine.
They just change the compression on the supercharger.



And the C240 Merc is how big (2600cc) a whole list of BMW,s etc etc and what size is a KTM 640 ADV ? 
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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #94 on: March 27, 2008, 07:21:01 pm »
You mean BMW does it?  ;D

Kak idea, making something deliberately kak to protect your margins on the better model, and then callling it a 650

H

So does Intel... with their P4's & Celerons...  ;D seems stupid though...
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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2008, 07:56:34 am »
Merc, has been doing it for years.
All the previous c classes were the same supercharged engine.
They just change the compression on the supercharger.



And the C240 Merc is how big (2600cc) a whole list of BMW,s etc etc and what size is a KTM 640 ADV ? 


Everybody does it; it is too expensive to manufacture all the different engine sizes and types. It is cheaper to just manufacture a couple and â??tuneâ?? them for different cars.  The same goes for processors and graphics cards.
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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2008, 02:56:18 pm »
You mean BMW does it?  ;D

Kak idea, making something deliberately kak to protect your margins on the better model, and then callling it a 650

H

I would have had the 650 called a 800gs and the current 800gs called the 800gs adventure.

or is the 800 adventure on its way?  ::)
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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2008, 03:10:14 pm »
Merc, has been doing it for years.
All the previous c classes were the same supercharged engine.
They just change the compression on the supercharger.



thats it exactly

but clearer nomenclature to discern between the 2 would of been cleverer of BM i reckon

And the C240 Merc is how big (2600cc) a whole list of BMW,s etc etc and what size is a KTM 640 ADV ? 


Everybody does it; it is too expensive to manufacture all the different engine sizes and types. It is cheaper to just manufacture a couple and â??tuneâ?? them for different cars.  The same goes for processors and graphics cards.

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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #98 on: March 28, 2008, 03:33:01 pm »
You mean BMW does it?  ;D

Kak idea, making something deliberately kak to protect your margins on the better model, and then callling it a 650

H

I would have had the 650 called a 800gs and the current 800gs called the 800gs adventure.

or is the 800 adventure on its way?  ::)
I think the Adventure / dakar model is still coming.
That is why the current 800GS has so little protection (crashbars ect...).
BMW always does this, they bring out the model and then later the the adventure / dakar.
They did it with the 650, 1150 and 1200.
So have patience, the best is still to come.!!!


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Re: 800GS - launch report
« Reply #99 on: March 30, 2008, 07:42:15 pm »
Ok so I rode the bike. What an awsome piece of machinery. On the road brilliant!!!!  Except for the narrow seat. My arse got sore after about 30 minutes. The seat is hard and narrow. Definately not on my list for touring. Awsome torque and will redline in 6th given the ideal circumstances (+- 220). The first thing I would change is the screen - it is way to small for high speed riding. I also found the footpegs to small for stand up riding. Felt like they should have been at least 2 times the lenght. Maybe the suspension was also not setup properly for my weight (94kg) but I also found it extremely bumpy on the corrugations and potholes. Just to make sure I took my friends KRL650 and Dakar over the same piece of dirt road and well.... all I can say is - if u got a KLR hold on to it. The KLR was a lot more comfortable (I could actualy sit down while hitting the potholes - on the 800 I had to stand up as it was bumping me off the seat) Even the Aprilia Strada I am currently riding felt better.
I will take the 800 for another spin, but am no longer convinced that it is the bike for me. Personally I think I jumped the gun when I sold my KLE500 while waiting for the BMW. Looks like I will end up on a 650KLR or maybe even a Dakar 650 as in my oppinion they are both more suitable for offroad riding which is what I want. Ill just get a superbike for the speed.
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