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Offline corkscrew

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« on: June 09, 2006, 05:54:20 pm »
Hi there,

Could any of you guys shed some light on this issue?
I've got a Dakar that I've been riding around for 6 months and I absolutely love the thing.

I am however giving some serious thought to trading it in for a 1200GS or a 1200GS Adventure. I use my Dakar for riding around town, long distance touring and of course dirt riding.
My reasons for wanting a 1200 is the extra power, being able to carry a pillion & lugagge and not struggle getting up a mountain pass, no chain, better range and that its just such a damn cool bike!
I'm in two minds 'cause the dakar is a fine bike and seems to do everything well.

My question: Is the 1200GS worth it?
Am I better off riding dirt trails on a dakar? (ie: Is the 1200GS better off road?)

Did a test ride on a 1200GS and to my suprise it actually felt lighter than the dakar and very manoeverable despite its weight, hence why I started thinking about this whole trading in thing.

Now I just cant make up my mind... Anyone with some answers?
 

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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2006, 06:07:05 pm »
Welcome corkscrew!

I have never owned a Dakar but I have spent a short time in its saddle.
The power and speed difference between the two is a lot
As for manoevrability: No dakar has done better in the GAGSC skills challenge than either the 1200 or the 1150 to my knowledge ...so I would not say the dakkie is much more nimble (though logic suggest that it must be).

My two biggest reasons for suggesting the 1200 to you is the passenger seat comfort and greater power.
The 1200 is not the easiest bike to commute with because it is so wide and lane splitting is sometimes a problem (I commute almost every day with my 12).

Get the 1200 if you can afford it
Wherther you should get the GS or GSA is a matter for a much longer discussion.
 

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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2006, 07:32:17 pm »
the Dakkie is a way better off road bike and can keep up with speeds up to 150km/h cruising.Don't assume that you upgrade to a 1200, the Dakkie is a purpose build proper DS bike that weighs allot less than the 1200, and that counts when the going gets tough.
The skill challenge has to do with skills not the bikes ability,if you need to pillion then the 1200 is better.

You get more power and a shaft from the 1200 but it is not as good as the Dakkie with the rough stuff.

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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2006, 10:55:09 pm »
your reasons are the are the exact same ones that made me get the 950ktm instead of the 640ktm.
power, and the ability to carry a passenger +gear.
in fact, im leaving for botswana tomorrow with my girlfriend, and were not staying in any lodges either. were camping all the way which means the ktm is carrying the gear....shes gonna work hard, but i reckon a trip like this would be unthinkable on a 640 or similar sized bike.

get the bigger bike, you get used to the size, and it doesnt actually weigh that much more than a dakar (check the specs, but i think its only about 20kg difference).
its not like youre gonna look back and say "aw heck, i really miss not having enuf power to get up this mountain pass with the missus on the back"
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how can upgrading to more power be a bad thing, never!!!
 

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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2006, 09:49:09 am »
The eternal question, the answer you have to work out for yourself, but some of the issues are...

Offroad riding is fun, in the really dirty stuff, climbing rocks, bouncing up and over mountains, real offroad riding.
And for this the DS bikes are not the best choice, but of the two the Dakar is better.
The GAGSC is not an offroad challenge, its a balancing challenge. Lower COG will win.

If you like riding offroad a lot, you appreciace weight immediately, even more than power. But my gut feeling is you dont take your bike anywhere remotely challenging enough, else the debate would be a moot point.

Another factor in offroad riding is suspension, the 1200's suspension is designed for road riding, not to compress under hard braking, etc.
I rode an 1150 for a while and got stuck in one of my usual parking spaces, this pavement you have to drop into the driveway to park.
The bigger front wheel (dakar is same 21 inch) on my KLR and longer travel suspension enables me to climb out that driveway easy, while the 1150 was making all sorts of clank noises up front before hitting the bashplate.
The suspension on the 1200's and 1150's are less suited for offroad than the Dakar.
 
If you are only going to have one, and you like riding a bit more aggressivly offroad, stick it out with the Dakar.

But thats why bike are cool, a garage that can hold your average family car can hold quite a few bikes.
Start specialising, get a 1200 for the dual purpose rides and then get another bike to ride offroad.

I dont think you are going to get into endurance issues but this is an offroad consideration, I have a friend who refuses to ride a 450 4T and sticks to an old 125 2T simply as he can ride the thing all day and not feel as tired as man handling the bigger bike. And that is only a 90kg vs 110kg discussion!
The 1200 and even the 950 will tire you a lot quicker riding offroad.
I'd bet Welshie, funacide and Leo were just that little bit more tired than the 3 of us who rode 650's through the riverbed.

The KTM950 is the best bet for a dual purpose, I think it eats the 1200 for breakfast when the riding tends towards the offroad side.

Touring is the other side of the coin, and here the 1200 really shines.
Its so awesome in fact I will probably get one for that purpose one day, unless the evil orange horde seduces me closer to buying time.

Put me 600km into Mozambique, and I'd rather have the 650 anyday, but ask me to ride to CT and I'll beg to take a 1200.

Think of the 1200 a little like my car, the BMW X3.
It can go "offroad" but come now, lets be serious. It will ride like a sedan on the highway, with more comfort than you can ask for, and even take the odd sand road. It can take me to Ponto d'ouro along the sand tracks there, it carries my diving kit onto the beach when I'm in Sodwana.
And speed bumps in Sandton are no problem either ;o)

If I was an 4x4 enthusiast I would get a truck like Zonkels Land Cruiser, but for me the "softroader" works.

So the 1200 might work for you.
 

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2006, 12:02:22 pm »
Thanx for the input guys,

I think I'm starting to lean towards the 1200! (but as soon as I get back on the dakar I change my mind again!)
As shark_za said, I dont take my Dakar to seriously challenging conditions (like climbing the side of a mountain...) I find myself, unfortunatly, doing a lot more tar anyway. For now I'm sticking to the dirt roads marked on normal maps and I think the 1200 and dakar have the same abilities in such conditions. Its just that the 1200 is better on tar if you wanna ride around the country.

I still want to be able to tackle some relatively rough stuff and the 1200 looks more than capable in that respect, sure its not a motorcross but then neither is the dakar.

Now once I've decided I've got to make up my mind about weither to get the adventure or not!  It never ends...

Need more than one bike!

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2006, 04:35:10 pm »
Trade it... Do it.... you know you want to! :!:

I also had a dakar and those are cool bikes! I sold it and now i ride a 1150GS Adventure. There is no turning back! 8)
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2006, 06:20:17 pm »
Quote from: "corkscrew"
I think I'm starting to lean towards the 1200! (but as soon as I get back on the dakar I change my mind again!)

Now once I've decided I've got to make up my mind about weither to get the adventure or not!  It never ends...

Need more than one bike!

 
I was in the same situation as you. GS1200 or Dakar. I couldn't decide. Then they announced the damn Adventure. That really added a spanner in  the works. Then to make matters worse, KTM announced the 950 R.  :shock: Thats when I knew. I need more than one bike!  :lol:
 
So, in the future I will have more than one. For now, I want a fun bike, thats good for shortish trips. No long touring on the horizon for me yet... When I get to that point, I will probably add a 2nd hand GS1200ADV. Sorted! :thumbup:
 
Not that this helps you any... just saying like... :dontknow:
 

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2006, 08:13:22 pm »
Can anyone tell me how the dakar rides with loaded side panniers and top box (and maybe a pillion...)? Gonna need to carry some stuff and thinking of buying all those damn expensive panniers.

If the bike becomes a dog with all that stuff on then I might just visit the dealer for a 1200.   :)
 

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2006, 08:18:59 pm »
The Dakkie is not that bad with all the baggage on, but definitely easier in the rough stuff than the 1200, that said if you take it slow the 1200 will make. The COG of the 1200 is lower than the Dakkar and it makes a difference, but a bit of skill can can help on both bikes.

You don't need more power off-road or on technical stuff, but skill, the 1200 carry cargo allot better than the Dakkie on long trips and tar.

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2006, 07:51:27 am »
Quote
Did a test ride on a 1200GS and to my suprise it actually felt lighter than the dakar and very manoeverable despite its weight,


I felt exactly the same thing when I rode the 1200GS, I took the bike out to the highway from Northclif motorcycles in fourways past Monte Casino. At the robot's I was able to get in between the cars with ease just like on my 650GS. Balance is excellent.... VERY cool bike!

Check this out http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95745 It will make your heart go balistic  8)
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2006, 03:46:11 pm »
Right, thats it! Getting a 1200!
Just needed to look at those pictures to make up my mind!

And now for the next big question: 1200GS or 1200GS Adventure?
Will have to ride them both and see.
 

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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2006, 05:48:29 pm »
Welcome Corky!

Enoy the forum!

Touring and level 1-3 riding conditions = 1200GS

More technical riding = 650 range of bikes.

That's me.

I did one stint on a 1150 on more technical and it was murder for me.

Of course the skills level also comes into the equation. Some members here on 1200 GS/950KTM's ride wherever the lighter thumpers can go anyway. Just browse through the Ride Report section to see where these big bikes went. :P  8)

Me personally still need some time on the Dakar before upgrading. (Actually, I can't afford it!)
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2006, 05:50:28 pm »
Its not upgrading, its crossgrading.
There is a big difference.
 

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2006, 05:52:23 pm »
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Its not upgrading, its crossgrading.
There is a big difference.


I'm stumped! Whatever do you mean? :?
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2006, 05:45:55 pm »
Sounds like a 1200 would be your bag of mint mate.
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2006, 07:06:43 pm »
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Sounds like a 1200 would be your bag of mint mate.


Talking to me?

If so, yes. Bigger touring bike 1200GS.

Actually. My wish list is as follows:

1200GS
Dakar (Would keep it just because of it's my first bike (ignoring the TS50 of 18 years ago) and the opportunities I had with it)
Smaller MX/Enduro setup. 250 range. Even orange!
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2006, 07:21:30 pm »
Hey Stofdonkie,

Well it could apply to you too. Originally I was giving my Russian Rouble to the fella who started the thread.

JM you are right, I could see you easily on the 1200.
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2006, 07:53:07 am »
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Hey Stofdonkie,


U talkin to me??
 

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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2006, 07:54:59 am »
Stoffrot and Stoffdonkie, both Dakar riding dudes.