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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2014, 11:04:54 am »
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If I may ask, why did you roadworthy the bike after this rally conversion?

From the Amageza SRs:

5.1. GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR ALL MOTORCYCLES AND QUADS
1. The Amageza Rallye is open to motorcycles and quads (hereinafter collectively referred to as “motorcycles”) duly covered by a registration certificate and adapted to off-road use. The registration certificate must always reflect the modifications made to the motorcycle, in particular to the capacity, make, type and commercial description. These motorcycles and their equipment entered must, throughout the competition, comply with the International Vienna Convention of 1968, the national legal requirements for road traffic of the country in which the vehicle is registered, the road legislation of the country where the event is held and with other rules specified in the Supplementary Regulations. If a competition motorcycle does not require registration in the country where it comes from, the motorcycle must still respect the FIM Sporting and Technical rules.

I think what spookman was trying to say was: why not roadworthy the bike before fitting "hard to pass" rally bits.
I would have the bike roadworthy'd 1st, using the legitimate stock headlight etc.
After obtaining the licence plate and disc, nothing prevents me from changing the lights, adding a roadbook and smaller indicators. This is what I'm doing with my 525
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #102 on: August 29, 2014, 11:51:18 am »
This roadworthy thing has been a moving target for some time  ::)
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #103 on: August 29, 2014, 12:48:07 pm »
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If I may ask, why did you roadworthy the bike after this rally conversion?

From the Amageza SRs:

5.1. GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR ALL MOTORCYCLES AND QUADS
1. The Amageza Rallye is open to motorcycles and quads (hereinafter collectively referred to as “motorcycles”) duly covered by a registration certificate and adapted to off-road use. The registration certificate must always reflect the modifications made to the motorcycle, in particular to the capacity, make, type and commercial description. These motorcycles and their equipment entered must, throughout the competition, comply with the International Vienna Convention of 1968, the national legal requirements for road traffic of the country in which the vehicle is registered, the road legislation of the country where the event is held and with other rules specified in the Supplementary Regulations. If a competition motorcycle does not require registration in the country where it comes from, the motorcycle must still respect the FIM Sporting and Technical rules.

I think what spookman was trying to say was: why not roadworthy the bike before fitting "hard to pass" rally bits.
I would have the bike roadworthy'd 1st, using the legitimate stock headlight etc.
After obtaining the licence plate and disc, nothing prevents me from changing the lights, adding a roadbook and smaller indicators. This is what I'm doing with my 525

Ja that's what I did. Took the stock bike, slapped on some plate size indicators etc. and got it roadworthy. then started with the rally kit. The one rear indicator was right behind the exhaust, and melts away within 10km, so I had to het my timing right as I was riding it to the testing station.
the guy still tuned me I need a chain guard for the passenger....  :imaposer:
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #104 on: August 29, 2014, 01:59:46 pm »
Quote from: spokie
If I may ask, why did you roadworthy the bike after this rally conversion?

From the Amageza SRs:

5.1. GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR ALL MOTORCYCLES AND QUADS
1. The Amageza Rallye is open to motorcycles and quads (hereinafter collectively referred to as “motorcycles”) duly covered by a registration certificate and adapted to off-road use. The registration certificate must always reflect the modifications made to the motorcycle, in particular to the capacity, make, type and commercial description. These motorcycles and their equipment entered must, throughout the competition, comply with the International Vienna Convention of 1968, the national legal requirements for road traffic of the country in which the vehicle is registered, the road legislation of the country where the event is held and with other rules specified in the Supplementary Regulations. If a competition motorcycle does not require registration in the country where it comes from, the motorcycle must still respect the FIM Sporting and Technical rules.

I think what spookman was trying to say was: why not roadworthy the bike before fitting "hard to pass" rally bits.
I would have the bike roadworthy'd 1st, using the legitimate stock headlight etc.
After obtaining the licence plate and disc, nothing prevents me from changing the lights, adding a roadbook and smaller indicators. This is what I'm doing with my 525

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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #105 on: August 29, 2014, 04:32:20 pm »
...the guy still tuned me I need a chain guard for the passenger....  :imaposer:


Me too... but after pointing out the absurdity of clamping a chain guard on an off road bike, he consulted the manual and discovered it only applied to bikes which came with chain guards from the factory.

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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #106 on: August 29, 2014, 04:35:36 pm »
And here she is. Colours and graphics may yet change, and I'll wait to pass comment until I've actually ridden her in anger. But for now, I'm delighted... this is half the fun, innit?












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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #107 on: August 29, 2014, 04:37:23 pm »
Ag the road worthy places differ night and day, some places will put it through as long as the engine and frame numbers match up never mind the other stuff. I guess the strict ones at least are still trying to do a proper job .... then again have you seen half of the taxi's on the road ! I was also worried going to the roadworthy with LED lights  :-\
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #108 on: August 29, 2014, 05:02:49 pm »
And here she is. Colours and graphics may yet change, and I'll wait to pass comment until I've actually ridden her in anger. But for now, I'm delighted... this is half the fun, innit?
Sure is.
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #109 on: August 29, 2014, 05:35:34 pm »
Fantastic and very lekker Max, looks perfect.  Now ride it hard and sort out any gremlins that may be lurking.  Have fun & enjoy.  :thumleft:
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #110 on: August 29, 2014, 07:03:31 pm »
Looks the biz, it does! Congrats.
 

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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #111 on: August 30, 2014, 05:39:55 am »
Looks grand  :thumleft:

PS. Trim those roadbook bolts, they going to hook or hurt something. Go ride her hard and dirty ... will give her some houding.  :ricky:
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #112 on: August 30, 2014, 12:19:13 pm »
Damn that looks good, I'm really interested to know how it compares to the 690 especially ito wind protection and longer distance riding. I'm sure there will be no comparison in the rough stuff.
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #113 on: August 30, 2014, 08:10:16 pm »
Damn that looks good, I'm really interested to know how it compares to the 690 especially ito wind protection and longer distance riding. I'm sure there will be no comparison in the rough stuff.

Just rode it today: If you're asking you want a 690. 690 motor has more 'thrust', for want of a better word, over 100. It's not that this thing is slow. Quite the contrary, it's just the 690 is more locomotive-like. Having said that with a gearing change the 450 will be plenty quick & comfortable - the new seat is lekker. I'd just feel too sorry for it thrashing it over 120 indefinitely.

Then your last point: in the rough, and the rougher the more this is true, it takes apart the 690 with a sledgehammer. It's a comprehensive, utter slaughtering. The 690 can do it all for sure, but if you want light on its feet, jumping over drainage ditches and eating broken, rutted roads for breakfast, this is in another class.

You really already know which one you want. I did, and I made the right choice. But I do miss that 690 - it's a sensational bike.

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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #114 on: August 30, 2014, 08:16:01 pm »
Did you do the Seat Concepts covering yourself (looks slightly loose)? What fabric did they use - I know they have quite a choice.
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #115 on: August 30, 2014, 08:19:31 pm »
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #116 on: August 30, 2014, 08:41:31 pm »
Bike looks very neat and simple - great job  :thumleft:

Makes me wish that I'd converted my 450  :'( :'(
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #117 on: August 30, 2014, 08:45:13 pm »
Did you do the Seat Concepts covering yourself (looks slightly loose)? What fabric did they use - I know they have quite a choice.

Actually it was a complete seat. I agree - I'm going to write to them. Tried it today - super comfortable but noticeably higher than stock.

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« Reply #118 on: August 30, 2014, 10:11:32 pm »
Did you do the Seat Concepts covering yourself (looks slightly loose)? What fabric did they use - I know they have quite a choice.

Actually it was a complete seat. I agree - I'm going to write to them. Tried it today - super comfortable but noticeably higher than stock.

Their seats are meant to be the dogs danglers - been thinking of a kit for my Husky.
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Re: PANDAMOBILE UNDER THE KNIFE: KTM 450 XCW Rally Lite build
« Reply #119 on: August 31, 2014, 06:51:33 am »
She's very .... WHITE  !!!   :lol8:
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