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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #100 on: June 09, 2015, 10:59:47 am »
Ek stem 100% saam met alles wat jy sÍ,  behalwe die eerste 7 woorde.   Dit is juis omdat die ontwikkeling in siklusse loop dat strooihalms. onnodig is.   Die Yamaha is in eie reg die skerpste mes in die laai.   Dit is dus heeltemal onnodig om stomp messe  te wys om dit te probeer bewys,  of bevestig.   Of,  om die teendeel te probeer bewys,  soos die Dunlop storie.

Jammer my Omie,  maar ek het nou maar eenmaal 'n kleintjie dood in die gewoonte van ons mense om te sÍ:  "Die BMW is swak,  daarom is die Yamaha goed",  of "die Yamaha is stadig,  daarom is die Kawasaki vinnig".   Ek dink nie iets is goed omdat iets anders swak is nie. As dit regtig goed is,  is so strooihalm nie nodig nie.  

Anders gestel,  ek dink nie Jonathan Rea is goed omdat Tom Sykes swak is nie.  


Wat's die punt van atletiek, swem of enige sport soort as die deelnemers nie teen mekaar kompiteer nie?

Toe Usain Bolt die 100m wereld rekord gebreek het met 9:58, het die ou wat 2de was ook die vorige rekord verbeter en bykans geen erkenning vir sy ongelooflike prestasie gekry nie.
My punt is dat Usain Bolt so moer vinning was, dat hy die ander mededingers laat stadig voorkom, selfs was hul nie.

Dieselfde geld hier; BMW is nogsteeds baie vinning, maar daars 'n nuwe Usain Bolt op die baan en hy dra blou klere.



Jy mis my punt.  Usain Bolt is die vinnigste want hy is die vinnigste.  Vir hom sal dit absoluut sinneloos wees om te sÍ hy is vining want Jan Jakkals is stadig.  Hy is vinnig want hy is vinnig en klaar.  

Maar!

Soos met Oom Daan, kom ons besluit maar om van mekaar te verskil.  Ek persoonlik admireer nie nuwe R1 vir die ongelooflike tegnologie wat in die fiets is en sou steeds al was dit tydens 'n tydskrif se toetse 'n raps stadiger as die BMW om die renbaan.  
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #101 on: June 09, 2015, 01:05:00 pm »
Goeie post Wolfskaap!

Ek dink nie dis so goeie punt nie.   'n Een rondte shootout beteken netso min as die feit dat Dunlop besluit het om nie daardie spesifieke R1 te ry nie. 

Dis maar die mens se natuur om strooihalms te gryp om 'n punt te bewys.   So is die shootout uitslae sowel as Dunlop se keuse strooihalms vir die wat wil bewys hoe goed,  of hoe swak die R1 is.





Mens gryp maar na strooihalms want dis feitlik onmoontlik om die baie issues rondom 'n onderwerp in een post op te som.

Maar kom ek probeer ... BMW beste, alles anders k@k.  :biggrin:





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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #102 on: June 09, 2015, 01:39:54 pm »
While we drool large puddles (rightly so) over names like Panigale, H2, H2R, R1M and HP4, this puppy will be guilty of arrival in a few days time.  


http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/june/honda-rc213v-s-more-than-ten-years-in-the-making/

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/june/honda-rc213v-s-on-the-road/

And I thought the H2R is expensive... who can afford this?!
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #103 on: June 09, 2015, 01:49:27 pm »
230 hp is very nice. But longevity goes out the window. Look at the bikes on the Isle of Man...they are retuned from max horse power to 220 - 225 hp, just so they can last the 2 our super bike race.  Most WSBK motors only last 2500 km and GP bikes only 1800 km. Give me a good 175 hp and 135 Nm and I'm a happy man. I am riding a 690 now...had it dyno tuned at 71 hp and 69 nm.  Great power for a single and it loves to rev...time will tell how long it will last.
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #104 on: June 09, 2015, 02:21:04 pm »
Jy mis my punt.  Usain Bolt is die vinnigste want hy is die vinnigste.  Vir hom sal dit absoluut sinneloos wees om te sÍ hy is vining want Jan Jakkals is stadig.  Hy is vinnig want hy is vinnig en klaar.  
Is waar.
Dink wel nie daars gese dat die R1 vinnig is want die BMW is stadig nie?

Die analiese van die 2.43 sekonde verskil is 'n oop interpretasie, as jy verstaan wat ek daarmee bedoel.
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #105 on: June 09, 2015, 02:27:11 pm »
230 hp is very nice. But longevity goes out the window. Look at the bikes on the Isle of Man...they are retuned from max horse power to 220 - 225 hp, just so they can last the 2 our super bike race.  Most WSBK motors only last 2500 km and GP bikes only 1800 km. Give me a good 175 hp and 135 Nm and I'm a happy man. I am riding a 690 now...had it dyno tuned at 71 hp and 69 nm.  Great power for a single and it loves to rev...time will tell how long it will last.
+1

All things being equal: (Dyno's are not calibrated the same way)
71 on the rear from a 690cc single is a shit load!
The highly strung pre-2004 650 Husaberg motor didn't even produce 70HP. A KX500 with 20mm inlet manifod mod, barely manages 70HP
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #106 on: June 09, 2015, 02:31:41 pm »
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #107 on: June 09, 2015, 08:58:14 pm »
230 hp is very nice. But longevity goes out the window. Look at the bikes on the Isle of Man...they are retuned from max horse power to 220 - 225 hp, just so they can last the 2 our super bike race.  Most WSBK motors only last 2500 km and GP bikes only 1800 km. Give me a good 175 hp and 135 Nm and I'm a happy man. I am riding a 690 now...had it dyno tuned at 71 hp and 69 nm.  Great power for a single and it loves to rev...time will tell how long it will last.


Keep in mind that the IOM bikes get ridden flat-out, top-revs for the 2 hours non-stop. You will ride your 230HP bike to the limit only a very small percentage of riding time.
 

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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #108 on: June 09, 2015, 09:16:45 pm »
230 hp is very nice. But longevity goes out the window. Look at the bikes on the Isle of Man...they are retuned from max horse power to 220 - 225 hp, just so they can last the 2 our super bike race.  Most WSBK motors only last 2500 km and GP bikes only 1800 km. Give me a good 175 hp and 135 Nm and I'm a happy man. I am riding a 690 now...had it dyno tuned at 71 hp and 69 nm.  Great power for a single and it loves to rev...time will tell how long it will last.


Keep in mind that the IOM bikes get ridden flat-out, top-revs for the 2 hours non-stop. You will ride your 230HP bike to the limit only a very small percentage of riding time.

They stop twice for fuel Dan.  :ricky:

 You are correct though,  they run flat-out,  red line all the time.   They do this twice in the week.   That excludes practise and qualifying.   The Fireblade that AJ rides, is now busy with its 4th TT,  stil same engine,  albeit a Superstocker,  so closer to 200HP ,  but it is raced 4 times as it does duty in Superbikes and Superstock.   Modern engines are remarkably reliable.

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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #109 on: June 09, 2015, 09:48:20 pm »
230 hp is very nice. But longevity goes out the window. Look at the bikes on the Isle of Man...they are retuned from max horse power to 220 - 225 hp, just so they can last the 2 our super bike race.  Most WSBK motors only last 2500 km and GP bikes only 1800 km. Give me a good 175 hp and 135 Nm and I'm a happy man. I am riding a 690 now...had it dyno tuned at 71 hp and 69 nm.  Great power for a single and it loves to rev...time will tell how long it will last.


Keep in mind that the IOM bikes get ridden flat-out, top-revs for the 2 hours non-stop. You will ride your 230HP bike to the limit only a very small percentage of riding time.

They stop twice for fuel Dan.  :ricky:

 You are correct though,  they run flat-out,  red line all the time.   They do this twice in the week.   That excludes practise and qualifying.   The Fireblade that AJ rides, is now busy with its 4th TT,  stil same engine,  albeit a Superstocker,  so closer to 200HP ,  but it is raced 4 times as it does duty in Superbikes and Superstock.   Modern engines are remarkably reliable.



You see why I won't finish a IOM race, I forget about the refuelling. :imaposer:
 

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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #110 on: June 10, 2015, 08:44:09 am »
230 hp is very nice. But longevity goes out the window. Look at the bikes on the Isle of Man...they are retuned from max horse power to 220 - 225 hp, just so they can last the 2 our super bike race.  Most WSBK motors only last 2500 km and GP bikes only 1800 km. Give me a good 175 hp and 135 Nm and I'm a happy man. I am riding a 690 now...had it dyno tuned at 71 hp and 69 nm.  Great power for a single and it loves to rev...time will tell how long it will last.


Keep in mind that the IOM bikes get ridden flat-out, top-revs for the 2 hours non-stop. You will ride your 230HP bike to the limit only a very small percentage of riding time.

They stop twice for fuel Dan.  :ricky:


You see why I won't finish a IOM race, I forget about the refuelling. :imaposer:


It is why you need to appoint a Team Manager, someone like me, who tends to get bogged down in the unimportant little details.   :imaposer:
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #111 on: June 10, 2015, 09:49:30 pm »
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2015, 08:20:59 am »
The only Yamahas I ever owned was a DT 175( the best little bike ), two outboards and a classical guitar.
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #113 on: June 18, 2015, 11:47:17 pm »
Scores are in.
R1 sets the new benchmark.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2015/06/article/2015-superbike-shootout-x-track/



Judging from the score card, it's miles ahead of the competition:
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #114 on: June 19, 2015, 07:26:18 am »
A dragrace?? :imaposer:

In the USA, where dragracing is huge, nothing touches Harley-Davidson.

What does this say?
 

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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #115 on: June 19, 2015, 08:05:45 am »
A dragrace?? :imaposer:

In the USA, where dragracing is huge, nothing touches Harley-Davidson.

What does this say?

Only in the Superstock class and that is because bikes using engines derived from the Harley design can have a displacement of up to 2620cc,  four valve heads and engines can be built from the ground up without having to share parts with production items.

Other manufacturers are limited to 1750cc , 2-valve heads and the crankcases  from production bikes. 
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #116 on: June 19, 2015, 08:29:03 am »
230 hp is very nice. But longevity goes out the window. Look at the bikes on the Isle of Man...they are retuned from max horse power to 220 - 225 hp, just so they can last the 2 our super bike race.  Most WSBK motors only last 2500 km and GP bikes only 1800 km. Give me a good 175 hp and 135 Nm and I'm a happy man. I am riding a 690 now...had it dyno tuned at 71 hp and 69 nm.  Great power for a single and it loves to rev...time will tell how long it will last.
+1

All things being equal: (Dyno's are not calibrated the same way)
71 on the rear from a 690cc single is a shit load!
The highly strung pre-2004 650 Husaberg motor didn't even produce 70HP. A KX500 with 20mm inlet manifod mod, barely manages 70HP
 :o

Mine showed 64 on the dyno but it was on a full knobbly. If you fit the rally cam shaft and alter the breathing it should bump it to over 70 easy
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #117 on: June 19, 2015, 09:19:56 am »
A dragrace?? :imaposer:

In the USA, where dragracing is huge, nothing touches Harley-Davidson.

What does this say?

That the USA, as with everything else, is dancing to their own tune in terms of motorsport.

Sherdian Morias is a good rider.  Even managed a National Title or two.   Tried his luck at WSBK, various classes and did okay.  He went to race in the USA SBK series a few weeks back and managed podiums in his first races there.
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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #118 on: June 19, 2015, 09:44:52 am »
A dragrace?? :imaposer:

In the USA, where dragracing is huge, nothing touches Harley-Davidson.

What does this say?

Only in the Superstock class and that is because bikes using engines derived from the Harley design can have a displacement of up to 2620cc,  four valve heads and engines can be built from the ground up without having to share parts with production items.

Other manufacturers are limited to 1750cc , 2-valve heads and the crankcases  from production bikes. 





American rule makers have always been like that, ever since the 1940's. To them, 'fair competition' means that Harleys must be allowed a capacity advantage over the foreigners.
After all, everything's bigger in America.  :imaposer:
 

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Re: Yamaha waking up?
« Reply #119 on: June 19, 2015, 10:59:23 am »

American rule makers have always been like that, ever since the 1940's. To them, 'fair competition' means that Harleys must be allowed a capacity advantage over the foreigners.
After all, everything's bigger in America.  :imaposer:

Indeed!  Toyota had to fight scores of battles to be allowed into Nascar.
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