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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3520 on: October 30, 2018, 05:56:13 am »
Adapting back was never easy after the island expeditions.

I have heard of old team members that never 'made it' back to what we refer to as normal.

Dea even seriously looked into how they could be of help but no cost. Nothing is free today in a comercialised world.

I was so busy trying to sort all my sruff that I paid littel attention to 'where I find myself'

Think I am doing ok but insomnia is getting me now. Can't say I am not worried. So many courses to do and time consuming. Got course dates yesterday for vaious medical bold ons we have to have theae days before you can start circulating a CV.

I need to focus now and start. One step at a time.

Still no feeeback on SANAE but remain hopefull. I really would love to go and it will help me a lot.

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« Reply #3521 on: October 30, 2018, 06:14:14 am »
Breadth deeply - live in the now - you will be fine and things will come your way in time.
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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3522 on: October 30, 2018, 06:15:13 am »
Adapting back was never easy after the island expeditions.

I have heard of old team members that never 'made it' back to what we refer to as normal.

Dea even seriously looked into how they could be of help but no cost. Nothing is free today in a comercialised world.

I was so busy trying to sort all my sruff that I paid littel attention to 'where I find myself'

Think I am doing ok but insomnia is getting me now. Can't say I am not worried. So many courses to do and time consuming. Got course dates yesterday for vaious medical bold ons we have to have theae days before you can start circulating a CV.

I need to focus now and start. One step at a time.

Still no feeeback on SANAE but remain hopefull. I really would love to go and it will help me a lot.

Cheers
Tom

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Tom, strongs Bud! You can do it! Rely on the people closest to you if feel anxiety, talk and get it out of your system! Good luck Tom!
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« Reply #3523 on: October 30, 2018, 06:41:30 am »
Thanks

The biggest thing is uncertainty. Not being able to focus and work towards one goal.
What I have is hope, since I am not involved in any way now in the project but ever so eager to join in on the Ice trip down South.

For now I have pictures and hope
 

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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3524 on: October 30, 2018, 06:46:29 am »
I am not one to give life advice TVB, but think hard about SANAE, experience of a lifetime would have loved to do it when I was younger, but another long haul, another acclimatisation to "normality" I get the idea it's a bit like what I used to call the ratchet effect in piping stress, everything moves ok under heat but when it cools and returns it returns 95% of the way, the more times you do it the further away you are from where you started.  :thumleft: 8)
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« Reply #3525 on: October 30, 2018, 09:30:32 am »
Tom, this post will be harsh and I may come across as an asshole (especially as I donít know you really personaly), but I will risk it, as my intent is good and the gentle encouraging approach others use doesnít seem to convey the right message IMO. I was considering sending this in private email, but then decided to put it up here for everybody to see as the collective may help to balance some of my points if I get too far into the deep end.

First of all - fuck SANAE (that is what Welsh said, just in HDR). If they take you and you donít have anything better going on yet - sure go for it, but you should not treat it as anything else than short term financial recharge, and not pin your hopes on it at all (basically consider it gone - they didnít take you as I suspect they will not). Stop romanticizing about adventure and some such - youíve been to much more interesting places and if not I can take you to better place on a week long bike trip easily - and treat it strictly as a job. And not exactly great job, because it contributes nothing to your future in terms of self-development you could capitalize on later (like building new skill or business or network or some such - if anything it prevents you to do any of those things) and is not paid well at all for what it is (sure those 30-40k a month would be great salary for permanent job or long term contract - but this is one time 3 month hit without any vacation or benefits away from your family and at the end of it you will be again just sitting and waiting for somebody to throw you something - which that DEA place has never done after all your loyalty, has it?).

I suspect most of your worries about future are financial - and most of us can relate. Well right now you have some money saved up so maybe that gives you and opportunity to stop for a bit and think rationally where to next. The cliche definition of insanity you might have heard is to do the same things again and again and expect different outcomes.

From where I sit, considering where you are in your life, this expedition/remote site contracting stuff is over - there is no long term future in it and as such it is viable only for youngsters while they are still building themselves up.

I suspect the same thing is true for the whole medic career. Admittedly I know nothing about it apart from what Iíve read from you, but think about it rationally: After you renewed all those licences at considerable cost and effort - what is the best outcome you can hope for? Can you realistically get any other job than the one you had before considering how much the requirements for most jobs are being elevated all the time? I.e. waiting on the side of the highway waiting till shit happens so that you can rush in to pick-up the pieces? And all that for peanuts salary and making your PTSD worse? Is there anything else you can do with those certifications, which if I understand it correctly do not allow you to be even a nurse?

Didnít you want to instead start looking into possibility of buying a welding machine and working with your son? Or working with that photography lady - did you follow up on those things? I know it is not going to be easy and you might have to invest initially to get established - either money or a free time. But then when if not now when you have saved up some money, and you still have some energy left? It may be slow and difficult and initially definitely much less lucrative than for example that SANAE or even medic work, but you will be building something for the future that you can capitalize on later on - which neither SANAE (or any other remote work - apart from very well paid oil rig jobs) nor your old medic job will do.

But first and foremost - I believe you need a break. You have been for two years stuck on a small rock in the middle of Atlantic in small place with a group of people with by the sound of it sometimes pretty toxic relationships. And human relationships are the main driver behind happiness, or lack of.

I suspect that right after you came back you started running around trying to secure the next job without giving yourself any time off. As hard as it may seem, you must find a strength to put those worries aside for a period of time and take break! You didnít have vacation for 2 years - that is not right man! And the best decision always came to me on their own in the time of blissful idleness. You need to give yourself space - both physical after being confined for so long, as well as mental to get back on  your feet right.

If I would be in your shoes, I would go for at least 2 weeks bike trip (what is 2 weeks vacation after 2 years without one), that would incorporate some wide open spaces (as a contrapunct to the claustrophobia of Gough)  and some alone time, as well as visiting good friends who may provide helpful outside perspective (as a contrapunct to some of the relationships you were exposed to over last two years). I donít think family can provide that - they are too close and involved. I know petrol is expensive and all that bullshit, but if you are going to wait for perfect opportunity, the life is going to pass you by. You can do that trip very frugally, camping wherever possible (if you donít have camping gear I have plenty), and you bike should be capable to take you for example through dirt roads fine (or you might even stick to tar). I would head somewhere with big skies - like Northern Cape or Tankwa or some such.

If you want to do dirt are worried about your bike not being able to do it well,  you are welcome to take my 690 for the trip. Just let me know quick - Iím heading for trip to Moz this week - you are welcome to come and take the 690 and keep it at your place.

As I said - I don't know you really and may be completely wrong on some or all points I have raised. But the key points I'm trying to highlight here are - you need a rest and second try to think clearly about your future and start working towards long term, rather than just worrying about short term all the time (the rest will help with those decisions).


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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3526 on: October 30, 2018, 10:08:36 am »

As I said - I don't know you really and may be completely wrong on some or all points I have raised. But the key points I'm trying to highlight here are - you need a rest and second try to think clearly about your future and start working towards long term, rather than just worrying about short term all the time (the rest will help with those decisions).



True words spoken.   :thumleft:

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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3527 on: October 30, 2018, 10:21:14 am »
The oil industry is starting to re-mobilize their rigs now that the oil price has come up and exploration is again viable. There is going to be a shortage of medics. Your qualifications will be in demand, you might just have to do a couple of familiarization bridging courses.
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« Reply #3528 on: October 30, 2018, 10:37:07 am »
The oil industry is starting to re-mobilize their rigs now that the oil price has come up and exploration is again viable. There is going to be a shortage of medics. Your qualifications will be in demand, you might just have to do a couple of familiarization bridging courses.

That is a good point RR, and made me realize I need to reformulate my conclusion about viability of remote site contracting:

Remote site contracting like the oil rig stints (or I have heard about fishing trips up in Arctica) may be still worth doing, but only if it brings in BIG BUCKS! It can be considered a viable long term plan only if one can make so much money on those gigs that after return they are sorted at least for 5 years, which give them enought time to rest and build/buy into another revenue stream (buy Wimpy, or real estate for rental or some such).

What is not viable is to go for expedition for two years with all the sacrifices coming with it (personal, relationships, lack of freedom, etc.) and after coming back having to worry straight away that I'm going to run out of money bery soon.

I believe the best thing you got from this whole Gough thing Tom is weight loss and resulting improvement in health. This sets you up right for the future healthwise, which underpins everything. Now you only need to make choices that will set you up right financially.

Have you also considered emigrating? I don't know what the situation is now, but Australia used to be pretty keen to get people into Outback - maybe that can be an option.
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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3529 on: October 30, 2018, 11:53:16 am »
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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3530 on: October 30, 2018, 12:12:14 pm »
The oil industry is starting to re-mobilize their rigs now that the oil price has come up and exploration is again viable. There is going to be a shortage of medics. Your qualifications will be in demand, you might just have to do a couple of familiarization bridging courses.

That is a good point RR, and made me realize I need to reformulate my conclusion about viability of remote site contracting:

Remote site contracting like the oil rig stints (or I have heard about fishing trips up in Arctica) may be still worth doing, but only if it brings in BIG BUCKS! It can be considered a viable long term plan only if one can make so much money on those gigs that after return they are sorted at least for 5 years, which give them enought time to rest and build/buy into another revenue stream (buy Wimpy, or real estate for rental or some such).

What is not viable is to go for expedition for two years with all the sacrifices coming with it (personal, relationships, lack of freedom, etc.) and after coming back having to worry straight away that I'm going to run out of money bery soon.

I believe the best thing you got from this whole Gough thing Tom is weight loss and resulting improvement in health. This sets you up right for the future healthwise, which underpins everything. Now you only need to make choices that will set you up right financially.

Have you also considered emigrating? I don't know what the situation is now, but Australia used to be pretty keen to get people into Outback - maybe that can be an option.

Working offshore is not easy for some folk, they don't deal well with the interrupted life of being home for 3 weeks and away for 3 weeks, I suspect for TVB it will be a walk in the park.
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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3531 on: October 30, 2018, 01:05:10 pm »
Tom, this post will be harsh and I may come across as an asshole (especially as I donít know you really personaly), but I will risk it, as my intent is good and the gentle encouraging approach others use doesnít seem to convey the right message IMO. I was considering sending this in private email, but then decided to put it up here for everybody to see as the collective may help to balance some of my points if I get too far into the deep end.

As I said - I don't know you really and may be completely wrong on some or all points I have raised. But the key points I'm trying to highlight here are - you need a rest and second try to think clearly about your future and start working towards long term, rather than just worrying about short term all the time (the rest will help with those decisions).

Tom, this may sound harsh but I do agree with Xpat, stick to your guns and find solutions that will eventually support your purpose in life. Seek your purpose and follow it wildly! Go for it Bud, tenacity is definitely a strong character trait you possess Tom, you just need to focus on your single purpose in life and hunt it down like a hungry hunter!
 
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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3532 on: October 30, 2018, 06:55:31 pm »
Thanks Xpat and all other replies.

I know some did read between the lines that it i not all moonlight and roses on the islands.

My loyalty is not much different to that of a dog and I was always defending the department, even after the 'dear Bobby' fiasco on Marion Ialand.

Yes you are right on every statement and I need a break. Howeve, I keep on getting involved to help wherever I can instead of helping myself. Currently involved between the madness of my rehab back home with volantry patient care. Need to ride tomorrow again to so post chur care on wounds.

Offering me the use of your bike is big, but no can so sir. Maybe oneday to join on a ride a few days with you but never alone. Nc is good, and the Namib idea oom Vis suggest is not bad at all.

I just got to finish what I have started with patient care, fix up a few more things and get as much sorted and if they so not call me for Sanae I need to accept and go and sulk in the Namib desert with a few black labels unser the stars and get my head ok once again.

Yes i am worried bout my future, cant help and yes I do not want ro be a medic anymore. Ptsd scarred me big time. I want to live again but shit I so not have qualidications. Just my hands but maybe it will do...it has to.

Thanks for the aupport and friendship to all

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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3533 on: October 30, 2018, 07:00:00 pm »
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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3534 on: October 30, 2018, 07:47:47 pm »
Not a spirit I was looking for, but I guess I need to tread carefully here as I understand that you have some demons to deal with.

So I would say just this:

You know on the airplane when they are giving safety instructions and they are saying that parents must put oxygen mask on first before helping their children? Well its seems to go against basic parental instincts (i.e. compassion) and yet it is the best way to ensure survival of everybody, including the kid. In modern pop-Budhism people (i.e. westerners) stress the importance of compassion as an absolute value overruling everything. Which is in direct contradiction with traditional real Budhism, which always stresses a need to balance compassion and wisdom.

If you don't want to be a first response medic anymore (wise choice IMO) than make that decision and its off the table. The question then is why pay and spent time doing the medical training and certifications. It makes sense only if those can potentially land you good job in medical industry that isn't going to be first responder. I'm just an idiot with unlimited internet access, but here are some websites I quickly googled for remote medic work. Maybe have a look at some of those - there are requirements listed there. Do not your current qualifications already qualify you for the job? ANd if they don't wouldn't it be possible to focus your energy on those that would make you qualify? Personally I would apply even if I wouldn't have all of them - who knows they may be short of people and take me anyway. The important thing is - you need to figure out your price, i.e. the minimum price you are willing to still do this remote stuff for. And IMO it should be such that when you return back it will allow you to buy into another revenue stream that will sustain you onwards.

Here are some random offerings I have found in 3 minutes - you probably already know them, but just in case:

https://www.simplyhired.com/search?q=remote+paramedic&job=DqPIVoTgT32iVsev4rTVyzJ3LJjUhejRU5toR611tZ0eozPBhi-d-Q

https://internationalmedicjobs.blogspot.com

https://www.indeed.com/q-Medic-International-jobs.html

I would also check with these people here in Joburg - who knows, maybe they have opening: http://www.prometheusmed.co.za/nb/node/871

Maybe check your qualifications against some of those adds and see if you can find something that interest you.

Lastly, did you try to pursue any of those other things you were planning to do? The photography - checking with the lady who offered last year job, or maybe talk to realtors, they need nice photos of houses and stuff? Or the welding stuff?

I just think you are putting too much emphasis on qualifications, or rather certifications. I know those are quite important in health industry, but suspect that they may be somewhat relaxed on remote locations, where real experience may be more valued. I work mostly in IT/project management, for which I have exactly zero qualification and yet am not particularly worried about getting new job.

And that SANAE is not going to position you well for anything, except for short term cash recharge. You didn't even know about it till what - about 2 weeks before departure from Gough? And now it looks like you are hanging all your happiness on that one and very short term prospect. That is just not right my friend - your comment about going to sulk into Namib desert if you dont get the posting is just plain wrong. In that case rather stay at home. As I said work on figuring out long term plan, so even if you go to SANAE it will be just a step to that long term plan (for example you can use the cash from that trip to buy the welding machine or pay for those additional qualifications that may make you a nurse or qualified for those international remote postings).

I realize that this may come across patronizing, and I'm sorry about that. I fully confess that unlike you I never had it really tough in life, so I am not exactly in the position to lecture you on anything. But I still feel that probably because of the baggage you still carry from earlier times, you might be overlooking possibilities that are out there ready to be harnessed.

That is it - I will desist now from poluting it here further.

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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3535 on: October 30, 2018, 07:54:03 pm »

Yes you are right on every statement and I need a break. Howeve,

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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3536 on: October 30, 2018, 08:23:57 pm »
Sorry for all the miss spells.
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The screen is a perfect size, it's those big fingers of yours that are the problem!

The size of your hands is indicative of the size of your organ. And I mean your heart Tom :lol8:

 Maybe time to spend a bit of that excess love on yourself instead of everybody else?

I must give Xpat a pat on the back for what he is saying. I am in agreement with him that you need to find something more long term for your own good. Living with with such constant uncertainty as you do cannot make for a happy future. I know I harped on you a while back about the money you saved up on Gough that you referred to as savings to get through the next dry patch, and I told you that it's not savings but Capital. Maybe now it is time to consider investing that Capital in your own business and become the boss of your own future?
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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3537 on: October 30, 2018, 08:57:21 pm »
Tom some good advice here by people who really care for you.
Think well and deep and yes we are at the age where we need to start taking those rests!
You know my door is open if you want to come and work your backside off.
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« Reply #3538 on: October 30, 2018, 09:45:22 pm »
Tom some good advice here by people who really care for you.
Think well and deep and yes we are at the age where we need to start taking those rests!
You know my door is open if you want to come and work your backside off.
I have around a hectare of lawn that is starting to grow. :pot: :peepwall:

Thanks Oubones  :lol8:

Yes I appreciate all these posts and tomorrow I will even read it all once more. I have unfortunately never had a business mind and for years I have done welding in my off days while I was in the fire brigade. I have often worked for free because I did not have the heart to ask people a third time for the money they owed me, and I always gave discounts to the extend where I did not even made good profits.
Once my ex got fedup because she has bargained for the money from my private steelworks and so she got in the car alone and went to face the people. Roughly a hour later she was back with all the money in cash, money I have already wrote off!!
I asked her how she got the money? She told me she had threatened the guy and refused to leave without payment  :eek7: :peepwall:

My sister once said she will become rich by hiring me out and she will do the quotes and collect the money, but ok that unfortunately never happened  :)

Now-days every Tom, Dick and Harry is welding uit their garages for a living or extra income or people are just going the DIY route. Hence the idea of becoming specialised in welding with an AC/DC inverter to do Aluminium and so on. Keep in mind I do not have this skill yet but I have a good feel for working with metal and wood. I did start off as a furniture maker when I left the 'home' before having to do 2 year military service and thereafter I did continue for a while even in my off days as junior fireman. I had to stop when the Municipality told me it was not allowed to have a second work. Pity because I was working towards a trade and could have been qualified.

My wish in all honesty is to retire completely as a medic now - I do not want to do it at all. I have seen enough, and although I love helping people I do not want to continue with this career. The only reason I work towards doing the bold on courses is because it is now compulsory - you cannot apply and work without ACLS (Advanced trauma live support) and ITLS (International Trauma life support) Not on the road, not in an ER, not on contract. First need to do BLS because ACLS has expired. That is a total cost of almost R8K without the 2 nights in a guest house and these courses is not just for 'go do it', it is a matter of looking at 'Claasen and Claasen training' website and then book and pay. Now my own reason for planning to do these is the following: Even if I manage to make a living lets say as a 'welder/handyman/rep or whatever' I may come across an accident and have to help patients (maybe riding buddies) and then to legally touch and treat them (put up a drif for example) I need to be registered with the HPCSA and the only way to do so is to have earned CPD points by doing the mentioned courses. I would love to be in a position where i can say enough and retire from the medical career but then I need to de register and that is final...I walk away.

So yes I need to work on this, and I appreciate all the posts and guidance. It will sink in and I know that all will be good.
I just need to get me head around all this - it will be good to start a thread at some stage in another board about a career change after 'Gough Island' or rather after the DEA or even remote site medic work.

Thanks once again and sorry for all of this....I suppose adapting back was not as easy as I thought it's going to be. Dreams are sometimes so much different to real life.  Sitting in the Namib desert should not be a sulking experience  :thumleft:
 

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Re: TVB op vakansie na Gough Eiland
« Reply #3539 on: October 31, 2018, 08:21:45 am »
Namib desert is where you go to dry up your sulks :lol8:

SANAE isn't just another job, it's a chance to complete the "island hopping" of Gough, Marion and Antarctica. Tom can't go to Antarctica as a medic, they only take doctors. Now he might get the chance to go for the 3-month take-over. It's not a be-all and end-all, but it would be great - can you imagine the photo's that'll come out of that...  :drif:

Additional to that, an expedition is going along to Antarctica to try to find the Endurance, the ship on which Shackleton sailed to Antarctica. How cool would it be if they found it?!

Keeping up his EMT stuff means Tom can take any opportunity in that direction (oil rigs, giving training to medics, etc). Like being a camp manager and medic for a geological expedition, or even running a bush and managing camp for a nature reserve.

Now if we can just stop Tom from working for free... ::)
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