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R1200GS VS R1150GS
« on: September 06, 2014, 07:41:29 pm »
I was about to buy one of these, but then I let it go for reasons. There's a lot of questions I have, so if you don't mind, please provide some insight. There's been okes that have had the R1150GS, and went for a R1200GS (probably most of you). Then, there's some that had the R1200GS, and sold it to go back to the R1150GS (there's a few).

I will later get myself the R1200GS (maybe a 2009 or something). There's a lot of talk about reliability. Images of a odometer on a R1150GS with 400 000km on, and generally R1150GS owners think their bikes are ultra reliable. Typically, they love the pigs, and would not trade it for anything else.

I might not exactly feel the same. Went an test rode a 2005 R1200GS, and loved it. So, let's tackle the first thing: reliability

I see a thread on a rebuild, well done to the WD who accomplished that feat! We don't have many rebuilds on the R11XXGS thread, but I think there have been an issue with big ends. In your experience, especially those of you who've had a R1150GS, how is the reliability of the R1200GS? Will it last you 10-15 years? (should you be stuck with it)

Then, R1150GS riders are also known for doing typical and even not-so-typical maintenance on their bikes. Is it the same here? I've heard that it's not really more difficult to work on a R1200GS (depending on the year model). Do you guys do this, typical maintenance yourselves? Also, how often are you in need of a computer for the bike?

Then...there seems to be a perception about R1150GS riders, and of R1200GS ones. What is the difference, and why? I guess we typically don't have lots of money, some R1200GS riders might (maybe the WD with LCs, but they've got their own thread). I see however that R1200GSs can be picked up rather 'cheaply', hence my initial decision to get one. R1150GS riders work on their bikes, it's not too complicated, R1200GS riders don't always work on their bikes, it's more complicated. R1150GS riders wear crocs, R1200GS riders are kitted out from the BMW store - there's stereotypes, add a comment, I don't want to offend anyone. R1150GS riders can make a plan in the bush to get their bike running, R1200GS riders call BMW to come change a tyre...not what I think, these are stereotypes (not discussed on the R1150GS thread, but have heard such sentiments)

Lastly, why would you never give up your R1200GS to go back to the R1150GS (if this applies)
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2014, 08:13:49 pm »
just to be clear, the reason why I did not buy the R1200GS has nothing to do with my questions. I loved the bike, and would have bought it, but I realised that I would not get a lot for my R1150GS because the R1200GSs are selling so cheap these days, and also, we might move to the middle east end of next year, so the bike will stand 10 months of the year. No real point in buying a bike now.
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2014, 09:21:07 pm »
Chris L sal goeie raad gee. Hyt ablei gehad. Het nou my 1200 vir 3 jaar. Ek ry nie so baie soos wat ek graag wil nie (kids is nog klein), so die kms is nog laag. Ekt my 40000km diens self gedoen, behalwe die valve clearances. Die fiets se grootste downfall is sy kaak suspensie. Verder is dit 'n lekker 'peace of mind' fiets. Ek ry gereeld plaas toe wat ver en afgelee is, maar het nog nooit worries gehad dat die bike my gaan drop nie. 
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2014, 11:41:07 am »
Ek like die vrae Volroom.  Ek hou die gesprek dop, want ek sal ook graag wil kyk na R1150GSA... 
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2014, 11:47:31 am »
I cannot possibly think of a single issue in terms of mechanical reliability that would differ dramatically between the 1150 and the 1200.  They are pretty much  6 of one and a half a dozen of the other. 

The 1200 does carry more electronics and if you are not that way inclined may find yourself paying a BMW dealer to fix those, if they do fail.

My wife and I both had 09 1200's and both ran fault free to just over 100 000km.  Between them they required a propshaft boot (front) and a fuel gauge fuel strip that were not normal service items.
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2014, 01:34:25 pm »
that's what I'm thinking, in general, the R1200GS is not so 'unreliable' compared to the R1150GS - Especially if you can get yourself a GS-911 tool and recalibrate this and that. For example, on the 2005 R1200GS I looked at, cold idling was rough. After speaking to Justin from Motorad Tech, it seems that actuators, or something, had to be reset on a computer. I guess it's possible that to know your R1200GS inside out requires a bit more technical knowledge. Are there guru's on this forum? (Like Welsh on the R1150GS/A)

Couple of things I appreciate of the R1200GS is the gearbox, less noisy and smoother shifting in general, it seems more agile, feels lighter (because it is...), better fuel consumption, although that depends..., and of course more power.

Who's got some insight as to why the R1200GS prices seems to have fallen (second hand), is it because the demand has dropped because of the fragile economy?
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2014, 02:20:42 pm »
that's what I'm thinking, in general, the R1200GS is not so 'unreliable' compared to the R1150GS - Especially if you can get yourself a GS-911 tool and recalibrate this and that. For example, on the 2005 R1200GS I looked at, cold idling was rough. After speaking to Justin from Motorad Tech, it seems that actuators, or something, had to be reset on a computer. I guess it's possible that to know your R1200GS inside out requires a bit more technical knowledge. Are there guru's on this forum? (Like Welsh on the R1150GS/A)

Couple of things I appreciate of the R1200GS is the gearbox, less noisy and smoother shifting in general, it seems more agile, feels lighter (because it is...), better fuel consumption, although that depends..., and of course more power.

Who's got some insight as to why the R1200GS prices seems to have fallen (second hand), is it because the demand has dropped because of the fragile economy?
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2014, 02:25:33 pm »
LC is out. Those who can, upgrade, so the market gets flooded with older models...price drops.

It could be the state of the economy.  I remember when the DOHC models came in 2010, the price of the SOHC models didn't fall at all.  I specifically waited for that moment in the hope of getting a good as new 09 at bargain price.  Did get the 09, but not at bargain price.
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2014, 02:29:28 pm »
Oh and to answer the original question:....
The 1150 GSA has legend status that the 1200 will never have.  :thumleft:  :thumleft:
Would you rather ride a legend or something every Tom, Dick or Harry is riding ? ?
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2014, 02:37:47 pm »
Oh and to answer the original question:....
The 1150 GSA has legend status that the 1200 will never have.  :thumleft:  :thumleft:
Would you rather ride a legend or something every Tom, Dick or Harry is riding ? ?
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2014, 03:54:50 pm »
What makes your 1150 legend
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2014, 07:40:35 pm »
I also have asked that question - what makes the 1150GSA (it seems rather than the GS) such a legend? What gives it legend status?So far, all answer that I can find is that it's an emotional thing, it's got soul, or something  :pot:
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2014, 10:16:36 am »
I also have asked that question - what makes the 1150GSA (it seems rather than the GS) such a legend? What gives it legend status?So far, all answer that I can find is that it's an emotional thing, it's got soul, or something  :pot:

Dit werk so:

Jy het 'n 1150, maar nie geld vir 'n 1200 nie ... dan het die 1150 "soul".
Jy het 'n 1200, maar ni egeld vir 'n 1200LC nie ... dan het die 1200 "soul"
Jy het 'n GS, maar nie geld vir 'n GSA nie .... dan het die GS "soul".

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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2014, 10:25:01 am »
1150 gs or gsa owners created this ledgend status to try to sell there bikes for silly amounts.Owned a 1100gs,going to a1150 was moving sideways not forwards so got a 1200GSA.
 

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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2014, 10:28:41 am »
I also have asked that question - what makes the 1150GSA (it seems rather than the GS) such a legend? What gives it legend status?So far, all answer that I can find is that it's an emotional thing, it's got soul, or something  :pot:

I think reliability and maintenance its much of a muchness, with the 1150 being little simpler. With the 1200 you get a bit newer bike at good price. I test rode a few and liked it. But I got on the 1150 and loved it.

Legend status... I don't know, but its about the bike. I had a 1200GSA and disliked it from the word go. Got the 1150GSA few years later and its different bikes.

To me the 1150GSA is just and all round superior bike.
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2014, 10:30:52 am »
I also have asked that question - what makes the 1150GSA (it seems rather than the GS) such a legend? What gives it legend status?So far, all answer that I can find is that it's an emotional thing, it's got soul, or something  :pot:

Dit werk so:

Jy het 'n 1150, maar nie geld vir 'n 1200 nie ... dan het die 1150 "soul".
Jy het 'n 1200, maar ni egeld vir 'n 1200LC nie ... dan het die 1200 "soul"
Jy het 'n GS, maar nie geld vir 'n GSA nie .... dan het die GS "soul".

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:laughing4: :laughing4: 'n Eerlike post vir 'n verandering............
Daar is 'n moerse verskil vir my tussen my 1150GSA en my 1200GS, net alles beter, blah blah blah
Ek was uiteindelik happy totdat ek my vrind se LC gery het, nou juk my gat weer, het maar 3jaar se staalborsel voorraad gaan koop  :P
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2014, 11:11:48 am »
het my les goed geleer...moet NIE op n bike klim, TENSY jy die geld in jou gatsak het om dit te koop nie...
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2014, 11:12:41 am »
I also have asked that question - what makes the 1150GSA (it seems rather than the GS) such a legend? What gives it legend status?So far, all answer that I can find is that it's an emotional thing, it's got soul, or something  :pot:

I think reliability and maintenance its much of a muchness, with the 1150 being little simpler. With the 1200 you get a bit newer bike at good price. I test rode a few and liked it. But I got on the 1150 and loved it.

Legend status... I don't know, but its about the bike. I had a 1200GSA and disliked it from the word go. Got the 1150GSA few years later and its different bikes.

To me the 1150GSA is just and all round superior bike.


that's entirely valid, I would just like to know how an R1150GSA rides more lekker than a R1200GS. I struggle to understand this
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2014, 11:15:01 am »
I also have asked that question - what makes the 1150GSA (it seems rather than the GS) such a legend? What gives it legend status?So far, all answer that I can find is that it's an emotional thing, it's got soul, or something  :pot:

Dit werk so:

Jy het 'n 1150, maar nie geld vir 'n 1200 nie ... dan het die 1150 "soul".
Jy het 'n 1200, maar ni egeld vir 'n 1200LC nie ... dan het die 1200 "soul"
Jy het 'n GS, maar nie geld vir 'n GSA nie .... dan het die GS "soul".

I ride a 1200 GS and have just bought a 1993 GS 80.  the 80 is a bitch to start when cold, does not have the same power and the brakes are non existent ,  but I cannot wipe the smile off my face every time I ride her, especially off road!!!! it definitely has soul !!
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Re: R1200GS VS R1150GS
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2014, 11:29:34 am »
I also have asked that question - what makes the 1150GSA (it seems rather than the GS) such a legend? What gives it legend status?So far, all answer that I can find is that it's an emotional thing, it's got soul, or something  :pot:

I think reliability and maintenance its much of a muchness, with the 1150 being little simpler. With the 1200 you get a bit newer bike at good price. I test rode a few and liked it. But I got on the 1150 and loved it.

Legend status... I don't know, but its about the bike. I had a 1200GSA and disliked it from the word go. Got the 1150GSA few years later and its different bikes.

To me the 1150GSA is just and all round superior bike.


that's entirely valid, I would just like to know how an R1150GSA rides more lekker than a R1200GS. I struggle to understand this

The 1200GS is lighter and handles very easy. The 1150GSA is planted, with excellent balance.When you ride it it does not feel as big as it looks. The 1200GSA is big, feels big and rides big. Much more unstable than the 1150 when going technical.

The 1150GSA is as nimble and light footed as a hippo ballarina  :biggrin:


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