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Offline Copernicus

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Real cost of ownership
« on: September 10, 2014, 05:05:22 pm »
Actually I have two questions here.  First is what is the actual price in SA (now) to get an LC/LC Adv?  I am talking about all the farkles that come with the bike too such as BMW boxes, inners for the panniers, GPS, gearshift pro, all the usual options witout which the bike is just not what it should be.  Point is, many of us go for the options, so much so that the dealers hardly import bikes unless they are full spec.  Then there is the fee for registration and plates and other admin.  Add to that the first month of insurance (which should in all likelihood be more than what you paid the previous month for the old bike).  So how much do you eventually put down before you get the keys and head for the distant horison?  I saw somewhere that it could be north of 260k.  Is that possible?  I am not even talking about the finance costs  :o

Then there is the cost of ownership.  My last bike I had for 4 years and after calculating every cent spent on it (purchase, insurance, licence, fuel, service, tyres, batteries, the odd farkle minus selling price) it came to R1.90 (exactly) per kilometre.  If would have been even less if I had ridden it more but such is life.

I see somewhere that people are thinking about supplying their own oil for service and perhaps some other things too to keep costs down.  I guess it could get better as soon as the first LCs run out of warranty and people start servicing themselves but it will almost always be more expensive to run an expensive bike than a cheapy - even if you do have some repair work on the cheapy.

What is your experience in this regard?  I know some people can afford anything without blinking an eye but it would be handy to know what the real world experience is.  I am inclined to think that it is usually considerably more than we think, especially if you also consider depreciation.  I know it involves passion and a whole host of things that are difficult to explain of relate to monetary value.  But the bottomline is that most of us have a budget and we should know what we decide, not?
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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2014, 10:42:38 pm »
Every GS owner paid a different price because every owner added different things.   As an example I fitted BMW panniers but no inner bags, the other person fitted BMW footpegs.


The short and the tall is go to the dealer get a quotation or a cost estimate on what YOU want. Running cost differ from person to person, from riding style to riding style. While you are at the dealer sommer let him give you the prices for standard services, remember the yearly service.

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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2014, 12:16:56 am »
Good thread this. Last time I looked my NC700X was costing me around ZAR 1.80/km This was calculated on average 15K km / year not counting finance costs.
So maybe not much difference between a H 700 X and a B 1200 GS.

I think we gotta spreadsheet this as in the .xls file system for the coming generations of riders to appreciate how cheap biking was in 2014  :thumleft:
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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2014, 01:55:17 pm »
Good thread this. Last time I looked my NC700X was costing me around ZAR 1.80/km This was calculated on average 15K km / year not counting finance costs.
So maybe not much difference between a H 700 X and a B 1200 GS.

I think we gotta spreadsheet this as in the .xls file system for the coming generations of riders to appreciate how cheap biking was in 2014  :thumleft:

A spreadsheet is the way to go.  I am a bit clumsy with designing them but I always get it to do what I want in the end.  But it makes things easy once you have it in place and you can provide for every little item and use different sheets for different years.

I said that I appreciate the fact that bikes tend to be a much more emotional bond than cars (fortunately this is a bike forum...) and that it is difficult to equate that pleasure to cost but to know what your pleasure is costing you can be useful.  I did not intend to shock people out of their decisions, past or future.  On the contrary, the more you ride, the less the bike will cost you per km, even if you don't get that better resale price.  That is handy to know too.
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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2014, 08:46:50 pm »
I just went through this exercise and all I can say is Wow! - big surprise and it definitely costs more than I thought. I've attached a spreadsheet - It is for my NC700X and pretty much describes
the usual conditions where the owner of the bike will sort the bike out to his liking and intended use and spend a bit on the necessary accessories. For the GS I can imagine you are looking at real costs upwards of R 3.00 per km.
 

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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 03:53:37 pm »
Interesting indeed.

I will see if I can upload my spreadsheet too.
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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2014, 11:25:28 pm »
I see this thread is now also in general bike related banter.  But here is my spreadsheet.  It has two sheets.
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Real cost of ownership
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2014, 09:29:53 pm »
I kept all my receipts but have no wish to see the total cost :thumleft:
 

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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2014, 11:30:08 pm »
Daar is 'n paar berekeninge buite rekening gelaat.

Konsultasie fooie van 'n sielkundiges.
Chroniese medikasie vir depressie en angstigheid ens.
Fooie aan huweliksberaders.
Pyn en lyding om heel Saterdag te sit en kyk hoe goed die AB speel.
Dieetkundige se fooi as gevolg van frustrasie eet.

Nee wat!!
Dit is medesyne vir die gemoed en gom vir die liggaam.  Laai jou wederhelf op en ry so 'n draai alleen of saam met vriende en geld kan  dit nie koop nie. Of dit nou 'n Poegie of 'n GS adv is dit bly koste effektief.
(Amper soos brandewyn, dit bly 'n bargain.)
 

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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2014, 04:22:44 pm »
Daar is 'n paar berekeninge buite rekening gelaat.

Konsultasie fooie van 'n sielkundiges.
Chroniese medikasie vir depressie en angstigheid ens.
Fooie aan huweliksberaders.
Pyn en lyding om heel Saterdag te sit en kyk hoe goed die AB speel.
Dieetkundige se fooi as gevolg van frustrasie eet.

Nee wat!!
Dit is medesyne vir die gemoed en gom vir die liggaam.  Laai jou wederhelf op en ry so 'n draai alleen of saam met vriende en geld kan  dit nie koop nie. Of dit nou 'n Poegie of 'n GS adv is dit bly koste effektief.
(Amper soos brandewyn, dit bly 'n bargain.)

Ja-nee.  My pa het altyd oor die hoe drankpryse gese hy is net bang dat hulle uitvind wat dit regtig werd is!  Bikes is seker amper dieselfde.
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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2014, 04:29:19 pm »
I kept all my receipts but have no wish to see the total cost :thumleft:

Net so  :thumleft:

My hobbies en speelgoed het nie 'n cost of ownership nie, hulle waarborg my sanity en dit is priceless.
 

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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2014, 06:59:58 pm »
Normal gs 240 k and an adv 160 k in my opinion,

You need a bashplate, pegs, bars, panniers and boxand the navigator v at least!

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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2014, 07:10:45 pm »
I kept all my receipts but have no wish to see the total cost :thumleft:

Net so  :thumleft:

My hobbies en speelgoed het nie 'n cost of ownership nie, hulle waarborg my sanity en dit is priceless.

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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2014, 07:16:57 pm »
Normal gs 240 k and an adv 160 k in my opinion,

Come again?
 

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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2014, 01:43:21 pm »
Normal gs 240 k and an adv 160 k in my opinion,

Come again?

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Crashbars 10k
GPS 8k
Bashplate 5k
Headlight protector 1.5 k
Pegs 1.5 k
Diff protector 3k
Cylinder guards 3.5 k
Screen stabilizer r 500
Boxes 15k

Equals 234 k more or less, what about the ralley suit, etc?  :pot:
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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2014, 02:42:28 pm »
I was wondering about the R160k for the ADV, I agree more or less with your other number.
 

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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2014, 05:39:35 am »
Normal gs 240 k and an adv 160 k in my opinion,

Come again?

Bike 185k
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Equals 234 k more or less, what about the ralley suit, etc?  :pot:
Here is a R15k saving already; R10k for crashbars seems excessive?
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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2014, 06:02:01 am »
Normal gs 240 k and an adv 160 k in my opinion,

Come again?

Bike 185k
Crashbars 10k R4k
GPS 8k
Bashplate 5k R2.5k
Headlight protector 1.5 k
Pegs 1.5 k R1k
Diff protector 3k
Cylinder guards 3.5 k
Screen stabilizer r 500
Boxes 15k R7.9K

Equals 234 k more or less, what about the ralley suit, etc?  :pot:
Here is a R15k saving already; R10k for crashbars seems excessive?
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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2014, 11:44:00 am »
Wel, thank you for the figures so far.  It seems as if there is a considerable difference from the listed base price of both the GS and GSA and what you need to put down before you take the first ride home.  I still don't see the exact figures from somebody with experience but suffice to say that it is more, probably much more, than what is quoted in loose banter.  But I also realise that it is a private matter so I will not persue it further.  If the whole article is financed too, the interest over a 4 or five year period is most likely too much to lay eyes upon.  Eish, the price of pleasure, sanity, whatever.  Few things seem to be free these days.
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Re: Real cost of ownership
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2014, 12:24:19 pm »
I kept all my receipts but have no wish to see the total cost :thumleft:

I am so with you on this one. I find it disturbing that so many of you actually have spreadsheets.  :pot: Why ? What possible purpose can it serve other than to make you morbidly depressed about how much you spent on your bike ? So you go on this wonderful adventure though some of the most scenic places in SA. You smell the fynbos, and when you get home, you sit in the corner gently rocking back and forth, whining softly, because this trip cost you R2.54 per kilometer.

I have a garage card. I top it up every month with a little more than what I spent, so that I build up a little 'kitty'. I fill up when the tank is empty, and service it when it's time. So don't ask me what my Strom cost me, ask me rather what joy my Strom gave me !
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