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Why are we hitting the deck?
« on: October 10, 2014, 07:49:51 am »
So many reports lately of bikers down and dying, or at best being badly injured lately.
I have to wonder what are the most common reasons for this.
What is the most common cause? With whom does the fault most commonly lie?
I'm speculating that we (bikers) are in the wrong a lot of the time, if not most of it. Quite often I find myself, after a ride, saying "Now why did I do that?" and the most common answer is an excess of testosterone, combined with a healthy slice of Ego and a sense of "I am superman". The adrenaline rush gained by twisting the throttle.
I'm not a wild rider by any means and yet I find myself regularly taking unnecessary risks for all the wrong reasons.

What's your experience? Any actual statistics?
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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 08:02:44 am »
I had a fall lately. I average about 1 fall a year. I am not a scenic rider and enjoy a "spirited" ride.
This last fall however was my most embarrassing. All stupidity and adrenaline .
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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2014, 08:16:29 am »
The motorcycle is by it's nature very unsafe. Little protection, fast, unstable with a small rubber patch on the ground.

It goes that the type of person wanting to get onto such a vehicle possibly also lends himself to a degree of recklessness.

The combination is risky.
 

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 08:31:23 am »
Speed.
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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2014, 08:38:45 am »
What he said...
 

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2014, 08:50:07 am »
The motorcycle is by it's nature very unsafe. Little protection, fast, unstable with a small rubber patch on the ground.

It goes that the type of person wanting to get onto such a vehicle possibly also lends himself to a degree of recklessness.

The combination is risky.

Very astute observation!
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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2014, 09:34:59 am »
By nature I'm not an aggressive rider and have never been one for speed. But riding a bike with LOTS of power that accelerates fast encourages you to do things you normally would not. Add a bit of frustration to that equation and your appetite for risk increases exponentially.   
 

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2014, 09:38:39 am »
But riding a bike with LOTS of power that accelerates fast encourages you to do things you normally would not.    

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2014, 09:40:16 am »
By nature I'm not an aggressive rider and have never been one for speed. But riding a bike with LOTS of power that accelerates fast encourages you to do things you normally would not. Add a bit of frustration to that equation and your appetite for risk increases exponentially.   

True. My DR 750 has a LOT of grunt and a VERY LOUD pipe. By nature I'm a very conservative rider, but I find it wants me to twist the throttle and there's a bit more of an edge to my riding. On my 1150 I ride like a grandpa.

The type of bike definitely also determines how you ride.

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2014, 09:46:05 am »
Definite pattern beginning to emerge here in a wave of brutal honesty.
The only time I ever ended up in kak on a bike was when being throttle happy.

Except that time a taxi backed into (and almost over) me.
Oil on the road also did me in once on my MT50...
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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2014, 09:47:31 am »
I have slowed down lately.

The main reason, petrol has just become so expensive. So I ride like an old lady and so far fuel consumption has improved a lot. Strangely enough with the more sedate riding style have had far less close calls. Funny that.

Speed is not the issue, your ability to make decisions at speed is the issue, hence speed is the issue  :biggrin:

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2014, 10:04:21 am »
I think my riding style will be a lot more subdued when I get back on the bike.

Don't know for how long but my latest off was sore and costly. Would like to avoid it if at all possible.

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2014, 10:44:04 am »
...................... lot. Strangely enough with the more sedate riding style have had far less close calls. Funny that.



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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2014, 10:55:33 am »
'Destination driven'.

There's a buzz word. With any mode of transport this is a problem. From bikes to planes. That get there or get home disease.
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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2014, 11:14:56 am »
'Destination driven'.

There's a buzz word. With any mode of transport this is a problem. From bikes to planes. That get there or get home disease.

You guys are making a lot of sense. It's a strong factor in inducing human error. And really that's what is wiping us out on the roads.
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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2014, 02:16:44 pm »
I am going to put another spin here as I commute daily irrespective of the weather on the N1 Cape Town on my bike to work which is 50km return. I am also 53 years old and have been riding bikes since I was 15. I do not want to fall as it will take long to heal and it will be moer sore for a while. I do not agree with the general statement that it could be mostly the bikers fault, there is that word again! I think we should split it into the weekend warriors breakfast run guys, daily commuters and also the long trip adventure riders. I see many bikers riding ever day and they all ride mostly very careful, from big bikes to poegies. You will always get one ringpiece thinking he is Rossi!!! Almost all the bike accidents that I have stopped at or heard about in traffic have been the cage drivers fault. However your weekend warriors are different and from what I hear most of these accidents from Rooi Els to Franchoek the guys have outridden their talent or speed was a factor. The long trip guys will always want to complete their trip and I also speak of experience as I don't want to damage myself or my bike and miss the trip so we ride mostly responsibly, note mostly and not always. Just me 2c worth!
 

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2014, 03:11:18 pm »
I agree absolutely with what Jup said about the way you ride being determined by the machine between your knees. I haven't had a really lightweight machine for a couple of years, but when I did there were times when I had to give myself a timely bollocking, not to ride like such a bloody maniac.
Riding a heavier and more powerful bike I'm always a little bit scared, and although I've been known to fall once or twice, most of the time I don't fall, and that's because I'm scared.  :patch:  ;D
 

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2014, 06:25:52 pm »
I agree absolutely with what Jup said about the way you ride being determined by the machine between your knees. I haven't had a really lightweight machine for a couple of years, but when I did there were times when I had to give myself a timely bollocking, not to ride like such a bloody maniac.
Riding a heavier and more powerful bike I'm always a little bit scared, and although I've been known to fall once or twice, most of the time I don't fall, and that's because I'm scared.  :patch:  ;D

Interesting. I find when I ride my 800XC I do more stupid stuff than on my XR600.
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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2014, 06:34:06 pm »
And do not hope for these stats to come down in any way with irresponsible manufacturers dishing up highly desirable 150plus HP bikes. :pot:
 

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Re: Why are we hitting the deck?
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2014, 11:34:58 pm »
I will be honest here.

On my 1190 while riding around town or the like I ride like a lunatic. Wheelies and slides everywhere with a good dose testosterone. I do believe however that I ride in a way that only endangers my own life. I will not do anything stupid if there are other cars close around me. I dont want another persons injury or death on my hands. But the fact remains that I am YDC.

When riding long distance I suddenly become captain cautious and I behave, not sure why.

I have not crashed while doing it yet.

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