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Offline Richard Smit

Re: Cape Town under the clouds
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2014, 02:38:53 am »
Really superb photo N[]vA.

A question however... (I'm not trying to be a pain here, but would like to understand the way you operate this machine).

From what I can see, the quadcopter was operating above 3600' AMSL when the pic was taken (Highest point of Table Mountain is 3567' AMSL).

What research did you do prior to this shoot to be 100% sure that the quadcopter will be well (practically, and legally) clear of air traffic into, out of, and around Cape Town Intl Airport?

As someone who usually has between 200 to 300 people in the aircraft I'm flying, you will, no doubt, understand my concerns about a potential quadcopter strike.

I can certainly appreciate the opportunities that such equipment can open-up, and don't wish to discourage their use... I just don't want one coming through my windscreen like a giant, rigid bird, or taking out an engine! There is no way we would be able to take evasive action to avoid such an object.. There's simply not enough time from initial visual acquisition, to impact (Not even in something as manoeuvrable as a competition aerobatic aircraft, never mind an airliner).

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Re: Cape Town under the clouds
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2014, 07:44:10 am »
What research did you do prior to this shoot to be 100% sure that the quadcopter will be well (practically, and legally) clear of air traffic into, out of, and around Cape Town Intl Airport?

I'm pretty sure he will see and hear you coming a mile away.

Awesome photo, though.
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Re: Cape Town under the clouds
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2014, 08:13:22 am »
That is breathtakingly beautiful! Well done!
 

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Re: Cape Town under the clouds
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2014, 09:28:31 am »
Really superb photo N[]vA.

A question however... (I'm not trying to be a pain here, but would like to understand the way you operate this machine).

From what I can see, the quadcopter was operating above 3600' AMSL when the pic was taken (Highest point of Table Mountain is 3567' AMSL).

What research did you do prior to this shoot to be 100% sure that the quadcopter will be well (practically, and legally) clear of air traffic into, out of, and around Cape Town Intl Airport?

As someone who usually has between 200 to 300 people in the aircraft I'm flying, you will, no doubt, understand my concerns about a potential quadcopter strike.

I can certainly appreciate the opportunities that such equipment can open-up, and don't wish to discourage their use... I just don't want one coming through my windscreen like a giant, rigid bird, or taking out an engine! There is no way we would be able to take evasive action to avoid such an object.. There's simply not enough time from initial visual acquisition, to impact (Not even in something as manoeuvrable as a competition aerobatic aircraft, never mind an airliner).

Best regards,

Richard

Heya Richard,

Totally understand your concerns and they are ones that I very much share with you. As I understood it I am not allowed to fly more than 300' above ground level (vs mean sea level) Whilst I had flown a few hundred metters out away from lions head I really wasnt as high as it looks. The gopro on the wide angle really does make every thing look a lot higher and further.

for that shot I was very very specifically up before any para gliders and was running a, granted fairly basic, radio scanner 98 - 140 Mhz which I use to listen into ATC comms if I feel I might be flying in an area where I could in any way be interfering. As a general rule if I will be flying any where close to 300 feet above ground level or close to there I will run the scanner.

After having taken this pic and video and have shared it I have made contact with a bunch of commercial UAV pilots and commercial pilots, I am starting to doubt what I have been told to be the "guidelines" or legal requirements are. Will be investigating it properly before doing much else.

Also going to go do a ppl (just air law and radio license) this year still if I can.

Another thing maybe you can verify for me but as I understood it commercial aircraft are not allowed to fly within 1500 feet of a national heritage site like table mountain and lions head?
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Re: Cape Town under the clouds
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2014, 09:31:02 am »
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Re: Cape Town under the clouds
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2014, 09:36:12 am »
Freaken awesome dude!

I would however pull a full photo water mark (name and contact details) on it as i have seen people just crop out your name at the bottom and use it for their own gains.

 

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Re: Cape Town under the clouds
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2014, 09:52:38 am »
Freaken awesome dude!

I would however pull a full photo water mark (name and contact details) on it as i have seen people just crop out your name at the bottom and use it for their own gains.


Would ruin the photo and once its out there its out there any how. Im not selling it just getting credited
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Offline Richard Smit

Re: Cape Town under the clouds
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2014, 03:16:32 pm »
Hi N[]vA,

Thanks for the reply.

You are obviously taking the safety aspect seriously. Thanks for that.

If my assumption that a quadcopter is an "aircraft" is correct, you'll be able to find all applicable regulations under Part 91 of the Civil Aviation Regulations (CARs). These can be found on the SA:CAA website.

As I understand things, specific regulations relating to the operation of UAVs are still under development.

I guess the question of whether these are categorised as aircraft is pertinent.

The following links may be useful:

http://www.caa.co.za/Pages/Aircraft%20Certification/Unmanned-aircraft-systems.aspx

http://www.caa.co.za/SiteAssets/Lists/Legal%20Notices/EditForm/CIVIL_AVIATION_REGULATIONS-2011.pdf

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Re: Cape Town under the clouds
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2014, 03:21:12 pm »
Hi N[]vA,

Thanks for the reply.

You are obviously taking the safety aspect seriously. Thanks for that.

If my assumption that a quadcopter is an "aircraft" is correct, you'll be able to find all applicable regulations under Part 91 of the Civil Aviation Regulations (CARs). These can be found on the SA:CAA website.

As I understand things, specific regulations relating to the operation of UAVs are still under development.

I guess the question of whether these are categorised as aircraft is pertinent.

The following links may be useful:

http://www.caa.co.za/Pages/Aircraft%20Certification/Unmanned-aircraft-systems.aspx

http://www.caa.co.za/SiteAssets/Lists/Legal%20Notices/EditForm/CIVIL_AVIATION_REGULATIONS-2011.pdf

Best regards,

Richard

Cheers mate

Another thing to keep in mind is that the area Im flying there is still a sanctioned SAAMA / AFC site http://www.atlanticfc.org.za/flying_sites.html

There is so much confusion currently as to where the lines are drawn both in airspace and classification
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