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Offline Pieter ER

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BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!! (Updated 01 Nov)
« on: October 27, 2014, 02:52:08 pm »
Riding home the other day I hear a metal grinding noise from my BMW F800GS back wheel. It was a Friday afternoon and I was almost home so decide that I will take the bike to BMW Motorrad Clearwater the next morning (Saturday) as they are not too far away. Get there and I am very well received by everyone in the sales office. One of the tech guys has a quick look and confirms my suspicion that the rear bearings failed.
So I leave the bike there and they promise to get back to me during the week with a quote. I phone a couple of times to follow up and finally on Thursday late afternoon I get a call to tell me they have prepared a quote. I am told “to come and discuss the quote” once I receive it which sounds ominous. Once I receive the quote I understand why as they quoted me a whopping R 39,000.00!!!!
They wanted to change everything on the rear of the bike including a new hub, brake discs, pads, sprockets, chain etc. While they are at it they decided that they might as well replace the brake discs, pads, steering head bearings, bearings etc. on the front wheel as well.  
Once I recover from a slight heart attack and phone I am told this is the “worst case scenario” and they don’t have to do all the work immediately but that I must come and discuss it.
Sensing and epic rip-off I tell them to leave the bike as is and I will collect it and get someone else to have a look. I borrow a bike trailer and pick up the bike on the Saturday and drop it off with the guys from ACME. Get a call from Manny on Monday to say they can fit a good 2nd hand back wheel for R 3,900.00 which includes the fitment. I subsequently had the steering head bearings replaced by Justin from Motorrad Tech as well for R 950.00. So all in all I spend R 4,850.00 and the bike is back and in very good running knick. I had the back brakes and discs, chain, sprockets etc. checked and they are all fine. I also had the front brake discs and pads and bearings checked and they are fine as well.
We all know that taking an out of warranty bike to BMW Motorrad dealer for service and repairs  will be more expensive but never thought it would be complete day light robbery like this! Are they trying to scare people into buying a new bike by pushing the cost for repairs up so high that they can get you to rather trade on a new model?
I for one will never set foot inside a BMW Motorrad Dealers’ Service Centre again.
 >:( >:(

Update 01 November

Let me clear up a few things for the guys taking me regarding this issue:
-   I stick to my story that in this case as the fact remains that I was quoted for a whole bunch of parts and work that afterwards were found to be in running order and that not needed replacement including the chain, sprockets, rear brake disc, rear brake pads, brake callipers, speed sensor, front brake disc, and front brake pads.
-   The guys that I asked to check my bike afterwards are qualified bike mechanics.
-   Let me use the speed sensor is a case in point. On the Saturday that I took the bike in the mechanic that had a look at the bearings looked at the speed sensor as well and said that he will rather remove it immediately so that it does not get damaged as they are pretty expensive to replace. From my understanding if the speed sensor fails the bike’s ABS lights come on and stays on as the ABS uses this sensor. So if the mechanic confirmed that the speed sensor was fine and removed it so that it did not get damaged and the bike was not showing a warning light, why o why then quote to have it replaced?
-   Naturally I was not “forced to accept the quote” but the point is this, what was the thinking behind sending me a quote for R 39,000? What reaction were they hoping to get from me? Honestly if any one of you had received a quote for R 39,000 after you took your bike in for what was diagnosed as failed wheel bearings how would you react?
-   As I mentioned before the impression that I got was that they have a policy to send you a huge upfront quote to shock the hell out of you and then once we get to the “come and discuss part” they will try and get you to agree to as much of the cost and work as possible.
-   When I collected the bike I did discuss this with them and I told them that this was my opinion. The person that send me the quote basically said that they just put the quote  together based on what they get from the workshop, tally up the total and send it through. That seems to be the amount of thought and attention that goes into it. I am also in the service industry so I asked if they don’t feel it would be a better approach to put together an “essential” quote i.e. this needs to be done to get the bike back on the road in safe running order. They can then provide you with a separate quote on other wear and tear items they feel will need to be replaced in future i.e. brake pads etc.  They did not have a reply for me on this suggestion.
-   I paid them for the open time and diagnostics on the bike before I collected it as this was naturally man hours spend so I had no issue in paying for it.
-   My lasting impression from this experience and the reason for this post was simply that I think the only interests the dealer had in mind during this whole process was their own commercial interest and how they could maximise this situation in trying to make money out of me. I don’t think my interest as a customer was taking into consideration at all. In my book that is bad customer service and since a lot of the proposed replacements were unnecessary an attempted “rip off”.
-   Happy to share the quote with anyone if you want to pm me. It is a pdf doc so I am not too sure how to upload it.
-   So finally for the guys who think I am the one in the wrong on this with comments like “I sincerely hope you are never my client” I can just say that if this is the kind of customer service you believe and practice in I can assure you that I never will be.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2014, 01:28:26 pm by Pieter ER »
 

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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2014, 03:04:30 pm »
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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2014, 03:06:37 pm »
Ek dink die mods moet sommer by voorbaat 'n aparte thread vir Danie oopmaak  :imaposer:
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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2014, 03:11:42 pm »
Rear wheel bearing failure .... why was a whole wheel needed???
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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2014, 03:12:05 pm »
This is going to be Epic!!! I can see 2SD drooling at the mouth.  :imaposer:
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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2014, 03:14:51 pm »
Rear wheel bearing failure .... why was a whole wheel needed???

Ag you know... BMW quality... bearing fails and chews the hub to pieces... what you expect  :pot:
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2014, 03:17:47 pm »
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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2014, 03:18:27 pm »
Rear wheel bearing failure .... why was a whole wheel needed???

Ag you know... BMW quality... bearing fails and chews the hub to pieces... what you expect  :pot:

exactly - BMW always does stuff bigger and better

when it breaks it breaks properly - bigger and better  :thumleft:

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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2014, 03:23:39 pm »
Ek dink die mods moet sommer by voorbaat 'n aparte thread vir Danie oopmaak  :imaposer:

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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 03:32:25 pm »
For that price you can buy a good second hand KLR... :sip:

Gotta love being able to mantain and repair ones bike... its priceless. :pot:
 

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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2014, 03:56:44 pm »
For that price you can buy a good second hand KLR... :sip:

Gotta love being able to mantain and repair ones bike... its priceless. :pot:

Yup, but...I think sometimes these okes think we are idiots. I had it with almost all brands of bikes and cars I've owned.
Any bike out there can be self maintained. Nothing to do with the brand. It may take more effort and a computer plug tool for some, but it is very doable.

Speak to the right guy or phone around a bit and you can get good advice and work done...sometimes from the dealers sometimes from good indies. Acme, Lecap etc etc are places one can go when outside or inside warranty.

What few people realize is as long as a workshop is RMI accredited your warranty stays intact. So if they insist you pay money for your own fault you can shop around, and if outside of warranty, well, then you can do it yourself or get a good indie to do it. This includes services. Usually warranty will sort it out though if damage is not due to abuse. (A whole other argument probably)

A major japanese brand wanted me to pay 1/8th of what the bike cost for every service.
Brake pads on the BMW were cheaper than another Japanese brand I rode.  It's all relative.

It would seriously be funny if the O.P paid the R39K   ::)  the price he paid for the job and parts seemed a bit highish, but seemed ACME did a good job, gave good advice and did it quite speedily. Imho worth it then.

I had 3 major brands not even get back to me for requesting a legitimate purchase.
I had 1 brand literally ask me to keep on inquiring to see if a certain bikes makes it into their stock..... You cannot take my number down?

It's laughable what we take up the rectum in south Africa and we should vote with our wallets.
I refuse to except crap service. Burn me once...shame on you... burn me twice.. no way in hell.


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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2014, 03:58:34 pm »
I'm beginning to suspect there's more to the whole muffin story... Perhaps laced with wacky weed to make those repair quotes sound reasonable?
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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2014, 04:00:43 pm »
That's why I've moved away from BMW..... been ripped off once too often! :patch:
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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2014, 04:01:06 pm »
The big boy's don't have mechanics any more! only part replacement specialists??? ???
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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2014, 04:18:17 pm »
what!? I think BMW is getting too arrogant, too confident in their dominance of the dual sport market. I think it's time they are taught a lesson....
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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2014, 04:47:45 pm »
Onthou:  Die dag toe jy 'n BMW motorfiets gekoop het, het jy die besluit gemaak om in te koop in die kultuur van
BMW en alles wat daarmee gepaardgaan.
Dis nou jou "brand".  

Jy en jou beursie moet nou lief wees vir BMW "regardless"  en  "till death do us part"


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Re: BMW Motorrad Clearwater attempted rip off!!!
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2014, 04:55:45 pm »
What is the dealership's explanation? Would like to hear both sides. :thumleft:
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2014, 05:47:17 pm »
Ek dink die mods moet sommer by voorbaat 'n aparte thread vir Danie oopmaak  :imaposer:

Not-so-clear-water, more like Murkywaters BMW.

I am just watching this time, but have to warn against a dealer getting customers so conditioned to paying too much that it leads to this.
 

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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2014, 05:55:20 pm »
Ek dink die mods moet sommer by voorbaat 'n aparte thread vir Danie oopmaak  :imaposer:

Not-so-clear-water, more like Murkywaters BMW.

I am just watching this time, but have to warn against a dealer getting customers so conditioned to paying too much that it leads to this.

Nee wat, jy kan jouself nie help nie   :imaposer:
...dis nooit te laat om n happy childhood te he nie !

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