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Offline Ganjora

Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #100 on: August 12, 2019, 01:25:06 pm »
Liqui Moly - Biodegradeable and breaks down after 21 days. Expensive but worth it

Ja,  after your GS gets stuck in a river, the frogs will all be happy you used a biodegradable lube on your chain.
 

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #101 on: August 12, 2019, 01:30:49 pm »
Liqui Moly - Biodegradeable and breaks down after 21 days. Expensive but worth it

Ja,  after your GS gets stuck in a river, the frogs will all be happy you used a biodegradable lube on your chain.

Hahahahaha had to laugh at this one!! I just changed to an 1150. No more chains.
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #102 on: August 12, 2019, 01:31:08 pm »
WD40 works for me, and cleans the chain at the same time. The only drawback is that you get a bit of crap on the rear rim... but it also prevents the spokes from rusting  :lol8: :lol8:

I'd be cautious using WD40 on an o-ring or x-ring chain.  WD is formulated with lubricants and solvents.

The solvent will clean the much needed factory chain grease around the pins, shortening chain life drastically.





WD40 is propably the most  popular most used item out there, this hasn't been raised as an issue.

(reference: Facebook discussions with tons of comments!)

WD40 is not actually a lubricant.  It is more a water repellent degreaser and I doubt it would do a chain any good.  Also, with any penetrating type product like WD40, or even Q20, there is a risk of destroying the grease inside the rollers.  I would avoid.  It is not as if a decent chain wax is unaffordably expensive.
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #103 on: August 12, 2019, 01:47:00 pm »
It is not as if a decent chain wax is unaffordably expensive.

actually it's free at all petrol stations, 
look in the bin,  you bloody capitalist.

 
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #104 on: August 12, 2019, 02:01:45 pm »

Q20 or WD40?
i think most use wd40 as a synonym for Q20, 
and i think that's also a synonym for spookpiss.
wd is nearly double the price of Q20,  and yget spookpiss for about half of that.
to be honest i have never bought wd40. it's amerikan and over priced for what it is.

Give it a try. WD40 is one of the few things in life for which I am prepared to pay a premium for. (Don't be surprised to find that it is in a different league compared to the Q20's and other pale imitations when used for the same purpose.)

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #105 on: August 12, 2019, 02:06:17 pm »
agree^
wD40 is the bee's knees


WD40 is propably the most  popular most used item out there, this hasn't been raised as an issue.

Q20 or WD40?
i think most use wd40 as a synonym for Q20, 
and i think that's also a synonym for spookpiss.
wd is nearly double the price of Q20,  and yget spookpiss for about half of that.
to be honest i have never bought wd40. it's amerikan and over priced for what it is.

I know people misquote them, but WD40 is the good one for chains, q20 is a penetrating spray which should cause issues.
I also started using WD40 for odd jobs after the name popped up so much and love it (struggled to find some initially)


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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #106 on: August 12, 2019, 02:39:23 pm »
A man needs to lube his chain well and often.

Hear hear, words of wisdom - and very true too!
Don't think you can lube it too often even!  :P
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #107 on: August 12, 2019, 03:06:12 pm »
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690

That stuff is the bomb but its not cheap
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #108 on: August 12, 2019, 03:14:01 pm »
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?

I've stopped lubing my chain, and from visual inspection and chain tension requirements it seems like it is actually lasting longer.

I do however ride mostly off-road, and any lube on a chain just turns to grinding paste if it ingests dust. With lube the sprocket surfaces turn shiny and polished from wear, without lube they stay dull.

Ever watch the Dakar? Those riders with bikes at the top of their offroad game with factory teams who know their shit.

I watch them in the biv and they lube their chains after the rider comes in and they are maintaining the bike.

I think most okes will follow the pros and what they do to maintain their bike. The whole idea of grinding paste on chains is so 80's when thick oil was used... with the invention of chain wax and other dry lubes that paste you speak of should never exist.. also , guys forget to lube their chain then lube it right before riding, then they get their chains all gunky because they use the wrong product or they use motor oil then go ride in dust.

makes no sense to not lube a chain correctly.
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #109 on: August 12, 2019, 03:40:37 pm »
A man needs to lube his chain well and often.

Hear hear, words of wisdom - and very true too!
Don't think you can lube it too often even!  :P


With all the talk about grinding paste issuing a warning here is in order: Do not dip your freshly lubed chain in beach-sand for you will pick up some abrasives, and believe me you will notice these!  8)
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #110 on: August 12, 2019, 03:44:56 pm »

This is another angle worth looking at.
https://youtu.be/VnPYdcbcAe0

I was sent this some time ago as well and I agree with him.

Wurth’s dry lube was also introduced to me about a year or so ago and been using it since, after every wash, wet ride and whenever necessary.  I however have no idea how long my chain or sprockets last.  I find the pleasure of riding as you want far outweighing the replacement cost.

A bit like tyres I guess.

I also use Wurth dry lube, as per our recommendation Kobus, after 17 000 km's my chain and sprocket still look brand new.
 

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #111 on: August 12, 2019, 03:45:46 pm »
WD-40 = Water Displacement - Fortieth Attempt

75% of the can is Aliphatic Hydrocarbon Solvents = AHS examples are; hexane, octane, pentane, iso-pentane, mineral spirits, petroleum distillates, petroleum naphtha, cyclohexane, etc.  Imo, these AH's will displace the factory chain grease on an o-ring chain, substantially shortening the life of the chain.  AHS's are used to make gasoline.

22% is Petroleum Base Oil = Dinosaur Oil =  lubricity

2-3% of the can = CO2 = Carbon Dioxide.

LVP Aliphatic Hydrocarbon
1200 mg/m3

Petroleum Base Oil
5 mg/m3 TWA (Inhalable) ACGIH TLV (as Mineral oil) 5 mg/m3 TWA OSHA PEL (as Oil mist, mineral)

Aliphatic Hydrocarbon
1200 mg/m3 TWA

Carbon Dioxide
5000 ppm TWA, 30,000 ppm STEL ACGIH TLV 5000 ppm TWA OSHA PEL


I'm a fan of dry PTFE lubricants for my chains.

USA WD-40 MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) = https://files.wd40.com/pdf/sds/mup/wd-40-multi-use-product-aerosol-low-voc-sds-us-ghs.pdf

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #112 on: August 12, 2019, 03:50:27 pm »
interesting ^

Did you try it though? :)
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #113 on: August 12, 2019, 05:00:10 pm »
Dry lube sounds so anal ................
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #114 on: August 12, 2019, 05:15:06 pm »
Then you are doing it wrong.
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