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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2014, 02:48:18 pm »
I just started stocking Liqui-Moly Dry Lube...PTFE Lube....going to start using that  :thumleft:
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2014, 02:59:27 pm »
Chain lube is for the contact between chain and sprocket teeth, where the grease sealed around the pins cannot reach. :biggrin:

I use Castrol chain wax, and here lies the thing...........only spray on lightly on the inside of the bottom chainrun, about once every 200kms.

You overgrease hopelessly if there is a messy build-up.

I also never clean a chain.
 

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2014, 04:01:14 pm »


If you know you are going to be riding in dusty area where grit sticking to the chain can be a problem then try using graphite powder. Small tupperware container and applied with old (or your mates) toothbrush stops all the Richtersveld dust sticking to your chain.

Never thought of graphite powder. Like the idea. Anyone ever used it?
 

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2014, 04:19:08 pm »
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690


it is great stuff , on my second can
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2014, 04:34:23 pm »
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690


it is great stuff , on my second can

The Liqui-Moly cheaper by far...can you believe!
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2014, 04:36:11 pm »
Wurth sells a product called HSS Dry Lube. I have raced offroad for two years with it and it is really good. Also use it on my 690


it is great stuff , on my second can

The Liqui-Moly cheaper by far...can you believe!

 whats the price ???
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2014, 10:16:52 am »
Spanjaard Chain lube,R42-00 @ Midas
 

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2014, 10:56:45 am »
Spanjaard Chain lube,R42-00 @ Midas

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2014, 07:49:08 am »
Chain lube is for the contact between chain and sprocket teeth, where the grease sealed around the pins cannot reach. :biggrin:

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Not quite correct. A (well maintained) roller chain does not show significant sliding motion between the rollers and the sprocket. That was Mr. Reynold's ingenious invention. The roller (as the name suggests) rolls in and out of the sprocket as it engages and disengages. The sliding motion (and a significant amount) happens between the roller and the bush, this part of the chain (in an o- or x-ring chain) is NOT sealed.
The lubrication between the roller and the bush is needed and crucial for the functioning and long service life of the chain.
Since it's a rather small space between roller and bush your chain lube has to be of very low viscosity when you apply it. Something called "capillary effect" will suck the lube into the space between roller and bush.
Once the lube is in there it should solidify into a thick greasy consistency to make sure it stays in there for longer instead of being thrown out by the centrifugal forces from the chain running around the sprockets and flung off.

If you do not lube the rollers they will quickly seize and stop turning on the bushes. Now you have sliding motion between the rollers and sprocket as the chain engages and disengages the sprocket and the rollers and sprockets will wear rapidly.

The o-ring or x-ring seals only seal the space between the bush and pin. This is where the chain links pivot relative to their neighbours to move around the sprockets.
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2014, 08:00:49 am »
Chain lube is for the contact between chain and sprocket teeth, where the grease sealed around the pins cannot reach. :biggrin:

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Not quite correct. A (well maintained) roller chain does not show significant sliding motion between the rollers and the sprocket. That was Mr. Reynold's ingenious invention. The roller (as the name suggests) rolls in and out of the sprocket as it engages and disengages. The sliding motion (and a significant amount) happens between the roller and the bush, this part of the chain (in an o- or x-ring chain) is NOT sealed.
The lubrication between the roller and the bush is needed and crucial for the functioning and long service life of the chain.
Since it's a rather small space between roller and bush your chain lube has to be of very low viscosity when you apply it. Something called "capillary effect" will suck the lube into the space between roller and bush.
Once the lube is in there it should solidify into a thick greasy consistency to make sure it stays in there for longer instead of being thrown out by the centrifugal forces from the chain running around the sprockets and flung off.

If you do not lube the rollers they will quickly seize and stop turning on the bushes. Now you have sliding motion between the rollers and sprocket as the chain engages and disengages the sprocket and the rollers and sprockets will wear rapidly.

The o-ring or x-ring seals only seal the space between the bush and pin. This is where the chain links pivot relative to their neighbours to move around the sprockets.
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2014, 08:33:29 am »
Is chain lube realy necessary ? I can't recall ever seen on a x-ring or o-ring packet that it is a requirement to lube the chain. Has anybody ever tried to fit a chain, ride it without lube and see how long it would last ?

I've stopped lubing my chain, and from visual inspection and chain tension requirements it seems like it is actually lasting longer.

I do however ride mostly off-road, and any lube on a chain just turns to grinding paste if it ingests dust. With lube the sprocket surfaces turn shiny and polished from wear, without lube they stay dull.

 

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2014, 08:50:54 am »
 

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2014, 09:32:09 am »
#Nipplecaps must fall!!!
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2014, 09:47:54 am »
A good argument for not using WD40 to clean your chain!




http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html


 ??? post a pic/description please? Not a member there...

Nevermind it loaded now.  :laughing4: janee. WD40 is dangerous stuff! Ask Hando as well...
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2014, 09:52:17 am »
A good argument for not using WD40 to clean your chain!




http://www.fireblades.org/forums/general-discussion/79145-guys-carefull-when-lubing-your-chains-graphic.html


 ??? post a pic/description please? Not a member there...

Nevermind it loaded now.  :laughing4: janee. WD40 is dangerous stuff! Ask Hando as well...

Sorry Boet.


"I will start off by saying that I am a worthless squid rookie and I suck at everything in life.
I was about to go for a ride today and my chain was pretty nasty, so I put it up on the stands and got out the wd-40 and a rag. I started the bike, put it in gear and let it idle. I sprayed the chain down really well and I put the rag up to it and it got caught and took my hand with it through the rear sprocket. I had to have everything above my last joint amputated on my index, pointer and my ring finger on my right hand. Thankfully I am left handed. It was a stupid mistake on my part and now I will forever pay the price for it. Say what you will, flame away, I don't care. I have accepted it and I take full responsibility. I made a choice (not knowing any better) and I will live with the consequences for the rest of my life. I thought I would post this so that 1.) no one else ever makes this mistake and 2.) To show that you don't have to be riding for a bike to get you hurt".
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2014, 01:37:59 pm »
Eina bliksim..... :o I did the same on my 1st bike when I was 15. Fortunately a 50cc and it stalled with only my thumb between the chain and rear sprocket. It is 35 years later and the thumb still looks nasty... :-\
 

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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2014, 05:21:19 pm »
Castrol Chain Wax. Dirt cheap at Makro and no mess at all.

R89 for 400ml can Castrol Chain Wax at Makro Montague Gardens, Cape Town  :eek7:  I was expecting half the price, what say others?
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2014, 05:35:03 pm »
 :sip: en post, sien toe daai ou se hand :puke: en kry sommer ghost pains in my vingers vir sy part...
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Re: Help with Chainlube PAINS!!!
« Reply #58 on: November 11, 2014, 05:37:49 pm »
Spanjaard Chain lube,R42-00 @ Midas

Die spanjaard maak baie ghries built-up ongelukkig maar is `n goeie prys!

+1, I binned the half can I had left...
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« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2014, 05:38:09 pm »
Castrol Chain Wax. Dirt cheap at Makro and no mess at all.

R89 for 400ml can Castrol Chain Wax at Makro Montague Gardens, Cape Town  :eek7:  I was expecting half the price, what say others?
Good price.....