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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #60 on: June 29, 2015, 02:33:22 pm »
Perhaps people are upgrading to ABS models?
 

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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #61 on: June 29, 2015, 03:04:27 pm »
My 690 is a 2012 model and the seat for me is much better than the KTM 530's seat. The 690 is a much better allrounder if you want to do dune riding, gravel roads,river beds and tweespoor paadjies. Long distance D/S type touring is a no no. You will feel like a afdroog lappie hanging from the washing line.
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #62 on: June 29, 2015, 03:28:04 pm »
Is the 530 not better at 2 spoor and river beds?
Does your 2 spoor have those natural berms around some turns?
Did you try to rail them with the 530?
Did you try to rail them with your 690?
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 03:29:58 pm by wolf skaap »
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #63 on: June 29, 2015, 07:28:48 pm »
Jip did both and yes we did a trip in Damaraland two weeks ago.
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2015, 10:23:27 pm »
You found the 690 better at doing this?


You have a very special 690  :thumleft:
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 10:27:44 pm by wolf skaap »
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2015, 10:23:49 pm »
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2015, 10:26:02 pm »
You found the 690 better at doing this?


You have a very special 690  :thumleft:

So Wolfskaap, you think a 690 cannot do that? why not?
 

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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2015, 10:30:16 pm »
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.

The truth has been spoken!!!
 

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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2015, 10:34:01 pm »
Will require much more skill, commitment and balls than doing it on a 530 which shares the same platform as the bike in my post.

We all know that Scott Summers won the GNCC series on an XR600 but that was more a reflection of his skills than the bike's superiority.
So yes, you are welcome to do a backflip with a 450 rally bike. It is possible, bloody impressive, but certainly not the right tool for the job.

Same goes for the 690, XR650R etc. in all regards.

« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 10:44:33 pm by wolf skaap »
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2015, 11:03:06 pm »
I don't quite understand how people can say a 690 is not a "true" DS bike. What about classic DS bikes like XR's and DR's? The 690 has all the shortcomings those bikes have, just in a much more modern package, yet no one seems to think those bikes aren't "true" DS bikes. Am I missing something here?  ???
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2015, 11:33:09 pm »
No, I believe they are the quintessential DS bikes, which is why most decide to rather settle for something more focussed at the commuting side of things (GS) or enduro (450) or high speed dirt highway destroyers (1290)

They play a very important part in many biker's pursuit to establishing what they want from a bike.
In some ways, I look at it as biking in its purest form.
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #71 on: June 30, 2015, 07:10:45 am »
Wolfskaap, I agree that the 690 can not be compared to the big full-blown enduro bikes like the 530, weight being the issue here.

I also agree that the 690 is the purest form of D/S bike currently available, despite it's luggage shortcomings.

The 690's fuel range shortcomings is no worse than that on standard DR650, XR650L, etc.

 

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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #72 on: June 30, 2015, 07:21:47 am »
Will require much more skill, commitment and balls than doing it on a 530 which shares the same platform as the bike in my post.

We all know that Scott Summers won the GNCC series on an XR600 but that was more a reflection of his skills than the bike's superiority.
So yes, you are welcome to do a backflip with a 450 rally bike. It is possible, bloody impressive, but certainly not the right tool for the job.

Same goes for the 690, XR650R etc. in all regards.

Conversely, just because the rider doesn't have the skill to ride the bike in certain conditions doesn't automatically make it the wrong tool for the job. If a complete newby gets on a 990 and falls in the sand on his first trip through Namibia, does that make it the wrong tool for touring Namibia? No.  I'll hazard a guess and say that anyone who has trouble on the 690 doesn't have the skill to do the same terrain at pace with a small plastic anyway
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #73 on: June 30, 2015, 07:30:54 am »
Yes, Dwerg, the 690 is a shock to most buyers because it is so capable off-road. The more capable off-road, the closer any D/S bikes get to a "plastic". Now, the 690 is far from being a plastic, but it is still much closer to it than any other real D/S bike.

However, when it comes to loading up for a 3week unsupported trip covering 5000kms, I would still go for my XT600E.
 

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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #74 on: June 30, 2015, 10:09:36 am »
How do you guys get around packing luggage and being able to fill up with fuel (without having to unpack your luggage)? Must be a pain the arse.
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2015, 10:26:19 am »
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.

 :laughing4: Spoken like a true 690 convert, I'm proud of you Dan  ;) :imaposer:
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #76 on: June 30, 2015, 10:27:26 am »
How do you guys get around packing luggage and being able to fill up with fuel (without having to unpack your luggage)? Must be a pain the arse.

You buy yourself Giant Loop Coyote bags or similar  :thumleft:
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #77 on: June 30, 2015, 11:45:47 am »
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.
That is true and mostly likely why KTM will stop making the 690 this year as did all the other manufacturers in the dirt bike 650 class. There is no more husky 610's or XR650R. They are all gone, dead and buried. I can only assume there is more money to be made with all rounder (read road friendly) adventure bikes.
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #78 on: June 30, 2015, 01:56:47 pm »
Conversely, just because the rider doesn't have the skill to ride the bike in certain conditions doesn't automatically make it the wrong tool for the job. If a complete newby gets on a 990 and falls in the sand on his first trip through Namibia, does that make it the wrong tool for touring Namibia? No.  I'll hazard a guess and say that anyone who has trouble on the 690 doesn't have the skill to do the same terrain at pace with a small plastic anyway
I have to disagree with your statement.

I managed to ride my Tenere up Penge without much fuss and can promise you that it was the wrong tool for the job. My friend could not get his D/S bike up the same pass but on his 610 and 525, he barely broke a sweat  :deal:

Big bikes and short legs results in lots of despair when you run out of traction and the simple truth is that more often than not, riders unintentionally find themselves breaking their expensive bikes while riding the wrong terrain, which leads to downsizing to smaller bikes for technical rides or bigger bikes for long distance adventures.

Where is the 690's niche?
Is it better at enduro/rocky climbs than a 450?
Is it better at doing 300km/s of dirt highways than a 990?
Is it better at 2 spoor than a KTM530?

The way I see it, in a race like Baja 1000, where you can pitch up with any displacement, the 450's are being used, simply because they are faster at doing 2 spoor, open dirt sections and rocky climbs.

So the 690 is not the "best" at anything but good at doing everything and sadly, it seems that most people are not content with "good" anymore.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2015, 02:45:07 pm by wolf skaap »
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Re: Why so many KTM 690's for Sale?
« Reply #79 on: June 30, 2015, 02:25:41 pm »
Ok, after all the faffing and blowing about on this issue of why 690's all get sold at low kilometres, let's get to the truth.

I see daily how incredibly soft most "adventure" riders really are, and a 690 is just too sharp for most. Their little bums bleed after 100kays, their little arty-farty fingers tingle
because of vibrations, and their mouths are all dry because there is no wind protection.

A lot of people will hate this post, those are the guys I'referring to.

We true adventure riders only sleep in guest houses these days :3some: :3some:
If i had to explain you would not understand anyway......