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R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« on: November 20, 2014, 09:41:49 am »
Has anyone with a 2013  LC ever experienced the need for a steering damper ?
Is it a must have on the bike ?
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 11:39:17 am »
I cannot answer your question, as I have the 2014 model that includes the damper. But I do wonder why it was added to the 2014 model, given all the hoohah about tankslappers just after the release in 2013. Maybe they added because the market wanted it, maybe they added it to overcome an issue. Who knows?
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2014, 03:23:45 pm »
I think it was added because the market demanded it for the R, RT, RS, etc.  It was just a short step for it to also appear on the GS and GSA.  I have ridden the 2013, not for many miles, but can't say I ever felt it required a steering damper.  I am also not sure at all that a steering damper will resolve a tank slap caused by a technical cock-up elsewhere in the frame or suspension setup.
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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2014, 09:06:01 pm »
I had a 2013 without and now have a 2014 with- i have not experienced any difference between the two bike's behaviour. A non issue made into a moerse issue imo
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2014, 09:09:10 pm »
Have not ridden the 2013 without one, but if you can afford it, do it...it will ease your mind. If you don't and you get some crosswind, you will immediately doubt the bike because of your sub-conscience telling you that you should have fitted the damper.

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2014, 09:27:19 pm »
Tx for the replies. Somebody I know  may need to sell his 2013 LC , he gave first option option , so I'm trying to make up my mind.
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2014, 09:28:43 pm »
Tx for the replies. Somebody I know  may need to sell his 2013 LC , he gave first option option , so I'm trying to make up my mind.

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2014, 09:46:26 pm »
I did just short of 10 000 Km's on my 2013 model. Never felt the need to have a steering damper on the bike. I also think it was never required.
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2014, 10:31:58 pm »
Hi Draadwerk,  Coming up to 29 000 km on my 2013 LC and I have ridden in some really nasty crosswinds on and off road. What difference would I have noticed with the shimmy damper installed?
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2014, 10:40:52 pm »
Hi Draadwerk,  Coming up to 29 000 km on my 2013 LC and I have ridden in some really nasty crosswinds on and off road. What difference would I have noticed with the shimmy damper installed?

Most probably nothing...read my post carefully- I clearly said his sub-conscience might play a trick on him thinking that it might have made a difference had he installed the damper. The closest you will get to an actual tankslapper not actually being one, I think, is fully loaded panniers etc with gusts of crosswinds.

How else would one be able to simulate that except in a crosswind?
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2014, 10:57:25 pm »
Ok, I get it. The closest I ever got to a tank slapper was riding my (now ex) XT600E on a gravel road with about 10cm thick loose sand over it. The LC on the same road didn't notice anything.
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2014, 08:43:03 am »
after all that fuss about head shakes and tank slappers.  i think this was a marketing decision, more than the bike needs a damper. 

these are now standard on big BMW's, KTM's and other makes.  KTM says due to the engine power the front end gets very light on pull off. 

any body that rides these big DS bikes know how the front wheel loves to lift and half the time the front wheel is barely touching the ground on acceleration.

i think it was just to make people feel better.  there was so much bad publicity, BMW had to do something.

is the damper needed, i doubt it, would i remove it; no it makes me feel better, marketing decision working.
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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2014, 08:54:35 am »
Lets see how things turn out . . . . .
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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2014, 05:04:25 pm »
I rented a 1200 LC in 2013 and did a trip from cpt to namibia passi through gharies and springbok. Two mates were on the old 1200 adventures. We did a fair amount of gravel.

the bike was running on Metzler tourance tyres which may have had something to do with it but a couple of close calls (tank slaps) through the karoo where the older adventures had no problem. The adventures were carrying all the luggage - no weight on the back of the lc. Corrugations seemed to be its undoing. I think the main contributors were weight (or lack thereof) and tyres.

It was a blast on tar though  :ricky:

I would consider more offroad biased tyres for gravel and off road.


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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2014, 10:36:54 am »

the bike was running on Metzler tourance tyres which may have had something to do with it



Was it the new generation Tourance Tyres?  I had one fitted to my 09 GS and within a day, almost saw my arse due to a nasty snake (wouldn't go as far as calling it a tank slapper) which I never experienced on that bike.
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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2014, 06:39:51 pm »
Has anyone with a 2013  LC ever experienced the need for a steering damper ?
Is it a must have on the bike ?


Check out this video clip. Might shed some light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDPMLxAZP0&feature=youtu.be
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2014, 07:34:49 pm »
Has anyone with a 2013  LC ever experienced the need for a steering damper ?
Is it a must have on the bike ?


Check out this video clip. Might shed some light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDPMLxAZP0&feature=youtu.be
Very interesting. I don't have the balls the even let go of the handlebars, nevermind try to induce some wobble the way he does.

Anyone notice he has a right-hand side mirror on the left hand side too? Wonder why.
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2014, 08:48:29 pm »
Very interesting. I don't have the balls the even let go of the handlebars, nevermind try to induce some wobble the way he does.



Just physics really.  Somewhere out there is a video of a guy doing even more amazing stuff on a superbike.  

I have ridden my bike, just to see how stable it is albeit a 2014, for some km's with no hands on the handle bars.  As a instructor, I do that on occasion to show noobs how stable a bike becomes at speed, so with speedo cruise, I thought I'd play a bit.  Sorry .... don't mean to brag.
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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2014, 12:46:12 pm »

the bike was running on Metzler tourance tyres which may have had something to do with it



Was it the new generation Tourance Tyres?  I had one fitted to my 09 GS and within a day, almost saw my arse due to a nasty snake (wouldn't go as far as calling it a tank slapper) which I never experienced on that bike.

Yup new generation
 

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Re: R1200GS LC Steering damper Q
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2014, 02:13:48 pm »


Anyone notice he has a right-hand side mirror on the left hand side too? Wonder why.
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Well spotted, maybe it was an emergency fix