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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2014, 03:40:34 pm »
@ Cracklin: Is that tyre pressure irrespective of bike (I am running K60s front and rear on BMW F800GSA)? I normally have them at around 2.2 bar
« Last Edit: November 24, 2014, 03:41:08 pm by Dorsland »
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2014, 03:45:33 pm »
There are many possible causes  for a tyre to fail  and could include:

1. Not inflating to the manufactures recommended pressure. This is the most prevalent reason for failure as it causes de-vulcanisation.

De-vulcanisation is the chemo-mechanical process which causes the tyre compound to break down, mainly through heat build-up due to under-inflation. Heat build up is by far the major contributor to any failure of this nature .

Most bike tyres of this ilk are also biased ply in their construction which causes them to also  run a lot hotter than a steel belt tyre.

It is for this reason that manufactures recommend a specific tyre pressure for a given load and it is vitally important to adhere to this

2. A structural  defect at manufacture .  

3. Damage due to road conditions eg. A cut or tear from a sharp object.

We do note that this tyre was run under load , at high temperatures below  the manufacturers recommended tyre pressure of 3.0 Bar

It would make no sense for us to speculate as to the cause in this instance or to jump to any conclusions even if run under the recommended pressure.

The best would be  for this tyre to be evaluated by the manufacturers in their lab and we will forward it to Germany for this.

Wessel, the poster of this thread has been in contact with us and we will do our utmost to resolve this issue.

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It will be resolved to the satisfaction of all concerned.

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Yes thanks, I'm very happy with our conversation we had until now, over the phone and e-mail - I hope we can get to the root cause of this and also to a conclusion we are both happy with - just very strange and quite worrying - irrespective of brand / manufacturer .

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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2014, 03:49:08 pm »
Dorsland Yes. We would recommend to stick to it.

We ran our Heidi's (on both bikes)  from SA to Mongolia at 3.0 bar rear and 2.5 front without a single issue (temperatures in Sudan and Tajikistan were 45C +  and at one stage over 50C in the Wakhan corridor)

Tyres run a lot cooler at this pressure and as a result  required only 2 sets for the entire journey .

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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2014, 03:49:58 pm »
Thanks for the heads up,  I'm heading out to the compressor right now  :)
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2014, 04:05:16 pm »
Good Stuff Cracklin, we will be replacing another brand with a K60S from you in the next few weeks - my mate loved them!

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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2014, 04:12:33 pm »
Thanks Cracklin for the informative feedback...

Currently on my fifth Heidie on the rear, and it tick all the boxes my personal application.

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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2014, 05:35:12 pm »
It's been years since i seen a Heidenau do this..... it does not just happen. Whatever the reason it came apart & is what it is. I can tell you one thing though...many of the the peeps & bloggers on Horizons Unlimited somehow find me & demand Heidenau (and other but K60 strong) for their Trans Africa & RTW trips....it's the tyre of choice for many overlanders. Rugged and dependable .... they don't want performance, uber grip & all that stuff...they just want to get there more or less trouble free..  :thumleft:
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2014, 09:32:57 pm »
My set of Heidenhaus from Bike Gear gave me in excess of 20 000 km with id say about 60% of that being Tar riding at 2.6 bar 90% of the time! Very happy.

Now trying the Capras knob lies from Bike Gear! Doing Baviaans from East London and on to Die Hel and the 7 Passes between George and Knysna and then on to Steytlerville and then back to East London via Port Alfred. Should be able to give some feedback on the types thereafter!

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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2014, 10:03:47 pm »
Wow!!

Never seen that happen - I did 20,000km on my last rear K60S, so I put another one on a few months ago - I hope this is an isolated incident?

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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2014, 10:37:16 pm »
I will never use Heidi's again. I've got about 7500km on a GSA, and even less on a 990. But for that I take full responsibility. My problem is the grip on tar is on par with a full knobbly, but the grip off-road is far less. So you get the bad of a proper knobbly without the pro's, and on sand it is pathetic. Repairing a flat next to the road is also a horrible experience. I'll take a TKC or similar any day of the week
 

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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2014, 11:10:58 pm »
Zollie jy het weer gejaag  :biggrin:  arme tyre
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2014, 12:15:14 pm »
Just an update - I'm glad to announce  that the supplier came to the table and is willing to supply another K60 Scout and will be sending the damaged one to Germany for evaluation.

I'm more than happy with this outcome, I've ridden with the Kenda big block, mitas and few other brands and these were the best in my opinion till this unfortunate incident, which I'm hoping is a relative isolated incident as I'm hearing of more people having no problems than people with problems.

I hope to be running the new rear trouble free and gain full confidence again.

Will keep all updated but I'm quite satisfied with the outcome till now. 
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2014, 01:30:58 pm »
Got 8500k's (K60 Scout 140/80/18) - very happy with Heidi!!  :thumleft:
Had them on my AT, and was also very impressed....
ps.   I never get these high km's some people mention on any tyre!!!  :-[
 

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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2014, 10:02:38 am »
Just an update - I'm glad to announce  that the supplier came to the table and is willing to supply another K60 Scout and will be sending the damaged one to Germany for evaluation.

I'm more than happy with this outcome, I've ridden with the Kenda big block, mitas and few other brands and these were the best in my opinion till this unfortunate incident, which I'm hoping is a relative isolated incident as I'm hearing of more people having no problems than people with problems.

I hope to be running the new rear trouble free and gain full confidence again.

Will keep all updated but I'm quite satisfied with the outcome till now. 

It is what you would expect from Bike Gear, they do back their products

I must add, i don't get the high mileage that people are talking about on my GSA, but i do run it at lower pressure and will take full responsibility thereof
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2014, 10:26:26 am »
Just an update - I'm glad to announce  that the supplier came to the table and is willing to supply another K60 Scout and will be sending the damaged one to Germany for evaluation.

I'm more than happy with this outcome, I've ridden with the Kenda big block, mitas and few other brands and these were the best in my opinion till this unfortunate incident, which I'm hoping is a relative isolated incident as I'm hearing of more people having no problems than people with problems.

I hope to be running the new rear trouble free and gain full confidence again.

Will keep all updated but I'm quite satisfied with the outcome till now. 

It is what you would expect from Bike Gear, they do back their products

I must add, i don't get the high mileage that people are talking about on my GSA, but i do run it at lower pressure and will take full responsibility thereof
Anything above 6k and I am happy

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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2014, 10:30:00 pm »
My k60's 27 weke terug vervang met nuwe stel na 8700km op die 1190.
Die bande kon nog vele km doen, maar daai 1190 soek genoeg grip as jy sy oor draai. Enige band grip beter as dit meer grip het.
T/Control was af sedert 2000km en nog nooit weer aan
Ry 50% teer, en wheely moer baie.
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Nog nooit meer as 5000km gekry op enige ander band, so ek is IMPRESSED!
Seker nou op 6de stel Heide's en nie van plan om te verander!
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Ten minste het die band nie gebars soos sekere ander make nie...
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2014, 10:31:12 pm »
2 weke, nie 27  :xxbah:
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2014, 10:50:07 pm »
8699km op...

Nuwe stel...
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2014, 04:00:37 pm »
Ek is nou op my 7de k60 agterband  3 op my 1ste 800 GS en 4de stel op my huidige 800 GS. Ek het ongeveer 3000Km op die oorspronklike band gedoen en toe n K60 opgesit. Vir die 2011 BMW eco het ek n TKC agter opgesit wat vir 6000km gehou het. My 800 het nou 80 000 op en 90% van my kilos is teerpad commuting. Ek wheelie ten minste 1 keer per dag en ry ook nie stadig nie en het nog nooit enige probleme gehad nie. Die grip op veral nat paaie is nie wat wonders nie maar dit is my enigste klagte.

n Heidenau moet hard gepomp word. Ongelaai pomp ek myne 2.8 en gelaai 3.2 vir lang afstand teer. Vir commuting pomp ek hom 2.5 as dit droog is en as dit reen 2.3 om n bietjie meer loopvlak/grip op die pad te kry.
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Re: HEIDENAU K60 Scout
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2014, 04:12:22 pm »
Ek het 'n stel Mitas E07's op 'n F800GS  na 1000 km afgegooi en Heidis opgesit. Na 10000 het ek die K60s van daai fiets afgehaal en op 'n nuwe F800GS gesit. Op 13000 km het ek die Heidis vervang. Die agterband kon nog gaan maar as voorsorg vir 'n lang trip het ek 'n nuwe een opgesit.
Ter verdediging: ek het nog nie 'n TKC80 voor op gehad nie en kan nie kommentaar lewer nie, en het al in sand omgeval, maar vir my aanwending (80% pad en die grond trip nou en dan) is hulle perfek!
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