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What to do for Amageza 2015
« on: December 12, 2014, 09:17:26 am »
Morning all,
I have a dilemma! I desperately want to partake in Amageza 2015 an I have questions for those esteemed gents that are in the know (as its put).
The question is whether or not to trade the stock 2010 KTM 690R (3200km on the clock) in  and buy a cheaper 450/500/525 and use the remaining money for rally parts?
Just find that rally parts for a 690 are so damn expensive and with me not being all that gifted in the fabrication side of things, where as the smaller bike looks as if are more reasonable?
I have got the buy in from the missus and training has started but it no use without the correct machine.
As a side note the aim is to get a finishes medal and try and keep coming back year after year.
Any help/ direction will be appreciated
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 09:32:19 am »
Morning all,
I have a dilemma! I desperately want to partake in Amageza 2015 an I have questions for those esteemed gents that are in the know (as its put).
The question is whether or not to trade the stock 2010 KTM 690R (3200km on the clock) in  and buy a cheaper 450/500/525 and use the remaining money for rally parts?
Just find that rally parts for a 690 are so damn expensive and with me not being all that gifted in the fabrication side of things, where as the smaller bike looks as if are more reasonable?
I have got the buy in from the missus and training has started but it no use without the correct machine.
As a side note the aim is to get a finishes medal and try and keep coming back year after year.
Any help/ direction will be appreciated
The Amageza can be ridden and finished on just about any thing.

If its your only bike I would say use the 690.
If its a race/play thing I'd say take a look at some of the WR450's or similar around.

450's are amazing for this sorta racing, nothing at all wrong with a 690. A very simple rule of thumb after watching and have tried an Amageza would be: The smaller the bike the more maintenance you are in for every night

Not to say that you wouldn't have as much maintenance to do on a 690 vs 450 but you will have less (all things being equal)

Bike + 300km fuel + navigation gear + fitness = done
« Last Edit: December 12, 2014, 09:32:42 am by N[]vA »
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 09:56:27 am »
Plus you can go Rallye lite.  One 690 had std tank with 6.6l rotopax mounted on the rear. 
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2014, 09:58:43 am »
Thanks,
I am going to take all the options and ideas I can get and work on a stagey to get me  there!
Please keep the opinions coming ;D
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 10:10:02 am »
Thanks,
I am going to take all the options and ideas I can get and work on a stagey to get me  there!
Please keep the opinions coming ;D
Most important thing is to start on your fitness yesterday!
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2014, 10:35:11 am »
Both bikes will get you to the end finish line, that is a given.  From the entries this year both options were good.  However, once you convert to the rally lite option, i.e 450, then you no longer have a day to day commuter when not in Amageza mode.  But for me the 450 lite or rally option is by far the better option if you want to be competitive
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2014, 11:03:36 am »
Plus you can go Rallye lite.  One 690 had std tank with 6.6l rotopax mounted on the rear. 

I'm in the same boat Ross and I've done some investigation into the options available for tanks. The above options is by far the cheapest solution. It was used by one of the competitors in this years race as well. It just means that you will probably need to ride with a small backpack which is not ideal but you get used to it if you train with one on all the time.

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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2014, 11:41:48 am »

Also bear in mind that you would probably need to roadworthy the bike.
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2014, 11:49:57 am »

Also bear in mind that you would probably need to roadworthy the bike.


All vehicles will have to be properly roadworthy and carry plates that match the paperwork to the frame and engine and VIN numbers. As you'll probably have to cross borders I'd hate to see anyone's race bike confiscated at customs. Those 450s that carried 690's plates have got 9 or 10 months to get their story straight.
 

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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2014, 12:44:48 pm »

Also bear in mind that you would probably need to roadworthy the bike.


All vehicles will have to be properly roadworthy and carry plates that match the paperwork to the frame and engine and VIN numbers. As you'll probably have to cross borders I'd hate to see anyone's race bike confiscated at customs. Those 450s that carried 690's plates have got 9 or 10 months to get their story straight.

Yip, I think is a very valid point, as I saw many a bike at this years Amageza skeniving their way through scrutineering.  Maybe a directive and notice to come from Alex, that either we are to be roadworthy or not and the implications of it.  9 months is more than enough time to get bikes roadworthy.  Would hate to see DNF's due to border crossing issues or rejections, but you will only have yourself to blame.   :deal:
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2014, 12:51:56 pm »

The Amageza can be ridden and finished on just about any thing.

After seeing the dates for 2015 are tentatively August-Sept the Amageza suddenly becomes a possibility for this grape farmer from Kakamas....  After spectating this year's event, me and couple of mates made it a life goal to complete this wonderful event. Nov-Dec is simply impossible though.

Now my question is similair: I've got a f800GS. Would you guys that competed this year and in the past say it is a possibility to just try and finish (obviously won't be competitive unless your name is MARC COMA or HENTIE HANEKOM) with the 800? Or should I put this dream on hold for a couple of years?

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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2014, 01:07:00 pm »

The Amageza can be ridden and finished on just about any thing.

After seeing the dates for 2015 are tentatively August-Sept the Amageza suddenly becomes a possibility for this grape farmer from Kakamas....  After spectating this year's event, me and couple of mates made it a life goal to complete this wonderful event. Nov-Dec is simply impossible though.

Now my question is similair: I've got a f800GS. Would you guys that competed this year and in the past say it is a possibility to just try and finish (obviously won't be competitive unless your name is MARC COMA or HENTIE HANEKOM) with the 800? Or should I put this dream on hold for a couple of years?

Cheers
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Again it is possible.

That said the potential repair bill on a BMW 800 gs o.O!   :o

No reason it cant be used though

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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2014, 02:07:17 pm »
That's very true  :'(  thanks Nova.

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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2014, 02:34:41 pm »
The Amageza can be ridden and finished on just about any thing.
After seeing the dates for 2015 are tentatively August-Sept the Amageza suddenly becomes a possibility for this grape farmer from Kakamas....  After spectating this year's event, me and couple of mates made it a life goal to complete this wonderful event. Nov-Dec is simply impossible though.
Now my question is similair: I've got a f800GS. Would you guys that competed this year and in the past say it is a possibility to just try and finish (obviously won't be competitive unless your name is MARC COMA or HENTIE HANEKOM) with the 800? Or should I put this dream on hold for a couple of years?
Cheers
Charl

Eish, I think you would be much better off on a smaller bike.
 

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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2014, 02:58:36 pm »
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2014, 03:44:22 pm »
'To be competitive' really means going for a win, or thereabouts.

Almost any bike will do it and there are plenty other riders around you to compete with, whether at the front, the middle or the back of the pack.

It looks like I'll be competing next year on my KLR again, at zero prep cost. I expect (hope) to finish mid pack and that's where I'll be competing. This year I finished near the back which is my main motivation for doing it again - now that I know what to expect, I know what to do next time round. Lack of fitness nearly took me out on day 1.

Talking about roadworthy, my bike got the full treatment from the scrutineers. Whether it was because they knew it was a road-legal bike to start with or just random, I don't know, but they checked the lot. 

Your bike and you must be fairly crash-proof and as long as you can keep picking it up every now and then, you should be fine.

A light bike will be a lot more fun in the tech - but those liaisons are gonna be long on a hard seat
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2014, 04:02:54 pm »
Just doesn't make sense for me to go and spend another R80 000 on a bike where i can just crash proof my Tenere a bit and extra fuell cells, roadbook and GPS

I have enough time to save for all the equipment but not for a new bike..

I don't want to win any stages i just want to do it and finish it if im last i don't care its an experience few people will be able to do, and its the closes thing to dakar, maybe in 2 years time ill have a rally only bike
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2014, 05:46:58 pm »
Just doesn't make sense for me to go and spend another R80 000 on a bike where i can just crash proof my Tenere a bit and extra fuell cells, roadbook and GPS

I have enough time to save for all the equipment but not for a new bike..

I don't want to win any stages i just want to do it and finish it if im last i don't care its an experience few people will be able to do, and its the closes thing to dakar, maybe in 2 years time ill have a rally only bike

I think a Tenere is an awesome bike for the Amageza. It's tank is HUGE (please will you give me fuel if I run out? haha). It's a little heavy.... and the front end is a little soft maybe (easy to sort I'd imagine?) but I've ridden one in deep sand and it handled well. The gearing is a little long (the 1st gear and the jump between gears) and I'd drop at least one tooth in the front... maybe even increase 1 or 2 in the rear too. - that puts ur speedo out but hey (speedo is on the crank?)
I've heard of their clutches going if you abuse them - so just be warned about that, but I think a bad rider can burn any clutch.... esp in sand.
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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2014, 06:00:52 pm »
Didn't Jenny Mo do the Dakar on a 660? Had WR forks, that was that.
 

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Re: What to do for Amageza 2015
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2014, 06:07:42 pm »

The Amageza can be ridden and finished on just about any thing.

After seeing the dates for 2015 are tentatively August-Sept the Amageza suddenly becomes a possibility for this grape farmer from Kakamas....  After spectating this year's event, me and couple of mates made it a life goal to complete this wonderful event. Nov-Dec is simply impossible though.

Now my question is similair: I've got a f800GS. Would you guys that competed this year and in the past say it is a possibility to just try and finish (obviously won't be competitive unless your name is MARC COMA or HENTIE HANEKOM) with the 800? Or should I put this dream on hold for a couple of years?

Cheers
Charl

Charl. n F800 is doenbaar.  Istvan gaan dalk op syne.  Ek sou net oortollige yster afbout.  Jy gaan skade he, moenie probeer om dit te stop met meer yster nie.  Jy sal een van Oso Blanco se camel tanks moet opsit.