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Offline Milla

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Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« on: January 17, 2015, 12:25:54 pm »
Not that I am doing Amageza, but you never know. I am also not talking about off the shelf Rally bikes. If one should start building a Rally bike, what will be the best/better platform to start with? A 450/500 that is lighter more nimble or a 690 that is stronger and build for travelling longer distances. Which one will also be cheaper to convert to rally spec? Your input will be appreciated.
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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2015, 04:17:58 pm »
I have chosen to use a KTM 525 EXC with 510 cc RFS engine because

1. I think a 500cc is less stressed than a 450 and should last longer
2. It has got more bottom end and midrange torque than a 450 - this is the "rev area" where I think I will be riding it more than flat out
3. great suspension
4. Has a good reputation for reliability
5. Lightweight and strong

I really don't like a 690 - especially the earlier ones that I could maybe afford - good motor but horrid suspension unless you spend a lot on it

My goal is to be on the start line at Amageza 2015 for 50K or less.

My bike cost me 32K after lots of haggling - its not perfect but it lays a good foundation.
I spent 3K on chain, sprockets, RWC, lic and reg straight away.
4K on a clear 25l Acerbis tank
2K on a promoto billet sidestand - an essential

41K so far - I still need all the nav equipment and oil cooler - its gonna be a tight squeeze but myself and darthvader are gonna make a lot of the stuff ourselves
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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2015, 04:26:10 pm »
Hi

I am new to this part of motorcycles and I am also privileged to "Do it my way".  

Personally I think a 450 is the BIGGER choice as you can select from a few brands, whereas there are only one 'other' choice for any size and that is the 690. Yes there are KLR's and other 650's available but they need suspension work etc etc. Now thinking about it, maybe a KLR aint a bad option as they are cheap to buy and the spare money can go into a suspension upgrade.  :pot:

In all my research I found that there are so many variables on the bike alone that a clear/mere 'size selection' will be influenced by LOTS and LOTS of other factors. (The rider size, strength, fitness, capabilities etc etc. and then in my humble opinion what you like to achieve. (top 10, just complete etc etc)

Every time I look at the Dakar or any other rally the leasion vs special distance ratio is noted.  On the leasion speed is not the ultimate winner as you are limited by national road speed limit.  In general the leasions are mostly gravel (could not find any ref to that speed limit) so 100 km/h for a few hundred km without straining the engine should not put a 450 at a disadvantage but you gonna miss that airhawk  :lol8:
 
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So, me thinks how you ride the technical stuff will influence the choice here, and obviously what type of technical stuff (sand/rocks/tweespoor etc). (read the posts on this forum and it is as wide as whatever)

Building.  As per 2015 Rules all fuel 'containers' must be 'fixed. No more Rotapacks.  The availability for tanks might be the biggest cost/looks cost (variance) of the build.  Once you got a bike that can do the required distance on one tank and suspension that could handle the punch/weight the rest will be fairly similar irrespective of bike choice in both cost and functionality.

Just stirring a bit.  :pot:
Will for example a KLR with standard suspension and ground clearance not do the job for the 'average Joe' like most of us and complete the adventure of a lifetime?

My personal choice.  A 2009 250XCF-W KTM with FUEL INJECTION.  Why? Because I got one and I want to.  I know some leasions could be tiring due to top speed but for the rest it will be a winner as my aim is to COMPLETE and not COMPETE.  ;)

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2015, 06:40:53 pm »
I have chosen to use a KTM 525 EXC with 510 cc RFS engine because

1. I think a 500cc is less stressed than a 450 and should last longer
2. It has got more bottom end and midrange torque than a 450 - this is the "rev area" where I think I will be riding it more than flat out
3. great suspension
4. Has a good reputation for reliability
5. Lightweight and strong

I really don't like a 690 - especially the earlier ones that I could maybe afford - good motor but horrid suspension unless you spend a lot on it

My goal is to be on the start line at Amageza 2015 for 50K or less.

My bike cost me 32K after lots of haggling - its not perfect but it lays a good foundation.
I spent 3K on chain, sprockets, RWC, lic and reg straight away.
4K on a clear 25l Acerbis tank
2K on a promoto billet sidestand - an essential

41K so far - I still need all the nav equipment and oil cooler - its gonna be a tight squeeze but myself and darthvader are gonna make a lot of the stuff ourselves

Wa kom jy da aan dat suspensie kak is,myne is n 09 en sy sespensie is baie beter as n 2014,n 690 kan jy heel jaar gebruik en n 450/500 net vir n race
 

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2015, 07:12:11 pm »
Jammer oom - ek's nie 'n ekspert soos jy nie - dit het net baie kak hard vir my gevoel en ek het 'n paar van hulle gery

Jy voel dit nie want jy is so vinnig jou wiele raak nie eers die grond nie - eendag as ek groot word wil ek soos oom kan ry - oom is 'n vokken legend  :thumleft:

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2015, 07:28:37 pm »
As jy n 690 mooi ry is hy hard,jy moet hom looi pappie :ricky:
 

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2015, 07:29:51 pm »
Jammer oom - ek's nie 'n ekspert soos jy nie - dit het net baie kak hard vir my gevoel en ek het 'n paar van hulle gery

Jy voel dit nie want jy is so vinnig jou wiele raak nie eers die grond nie - eendag as ek groot word wil ek soos oom kan ry - oom is 'n vokken legend  :thumleft:



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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2015, 06:24:41 pm »
Ek wens ek het 'n 525 gehad...
 

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2015, 06:29:32 pm »
Ek wens ek het 'n 525 gehad...

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2015, 06:37:47 pm »
As long as the rules allow it, I'll keep running something 600cc or larger.  If you are on a tight budget, XR600R.  Bit more, DR650 before a KLR.  My suspension work on 690 was less than R10k, but is was needed.
 

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2015, 06:43:42 pm »
Im also on the look out for an Amageza bike… potentially - seems like ktm 500 is the way to go with, 525 also a great choice.
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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2015, 06:55:40 pm »
There will be a two-time finishing WR450F Rally (see my build thread) up for sale soon... 25L fuel range.  HDPE Nav tower.  What you do have to buy is a Roadbook, ICO and a steering damper.
 

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2015, 07:02:40 pm »
There will be a two-time finishing WR450F Rally (see my build thread) up for sale soon... 25L fuel range.  HDPE Nav tower.  What you do have to buy is a Roadbook, ICO and a steering damper.

Post the link here please bud
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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2015, 07:05:40 pm »
There will be a two-time finishing WR450F Rally (see my build thread) up for sale soon... 25L fuel range.  HDPE Nav tower.  What you do have to buy is a Roadbook, ICO and a steering damper.

Post the link here please bud

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2015, 07:32:27 pm »
My suspension work on 690 was less than R10k, but is was needed.

What work did you do to the suspension? Who, how, what, where?
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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2015, 08:39:43 pm »
My suspension work on 690 was less than R10k, but is was needed.

What work did you do to the suspension? Who, how, what, where?

I did the Rally Raid UK 300mm fork extension kit.  Purchased the kit and fitted it.  Sorted out the fork's valving myself.

Superfoxi works on my shocks.  I kept the 275mm travel to solve the geometry (I have a 2011, its sort of a hybrid.  The 2012 is better, from there it became to low with 250mm travel)

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Re: Building a bike for Amageza. 450/500 vs 690
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2015, 10:48:33 pm »
Get 640. Put roadbook on and ICO.  Then fuel en go 👍