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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2015, 05:27:24 pm »

Who owns them has nothing to do with the rivalry I'm on about. I look at the the racing from an armchair as a spectator and I see them as rivals. Which one do I prefer - A or B!! And removing factory teams from WSBK wouuld relegate them to 2nd best, wouldn't it? I don't care who 'owns' racing, I don't watch DORNA racing, in fact I've got no idea who they are and don't care to either.

And both WSBK and MotoGP have self imposed limits - what do you think rules are? Same as in Formula whatever in car racing, you have to fall within certain parameters.

I certainly don't think you're misinformed, but perhaps you read what I wrote a bit too quickly.

Well, we all have our own opinions of what is exciting and what is not.  A so-called "superbike" that would cost more than a million Euro to build hold little excitement for me.  That is what MotoGP should be.  Superbikes should be, well, way closer to the bikes you and I can buy.  That is my opinion and as such, no need for factory teams.

I do not agree that term, "self-imposed" means rules.  I read "self-imposed" to mean the manufacturers impose these rules themselves.  Dorna impose the rules and that is not self-imposed as I see it..  If Dorna didn't, it would get out of hand as it does every few years.  Sykes' Kawasaki last year was case in point.  You could not buy one single part on that bike for your ZX10.  Not one.  In fact, the other Kawasakis in WSBK could not get those parts.  In 2013, during tire testing, Syke's Kawasaki was faster than the MotoGP Ducati.  Again, this makes no sense to me.

Anyway, Dorna's new rules have contained the Superbikes this year and will do so even more next year.  We have already seen closer and better racing and more manufacturers competing.  Just a few minutes ago Ducati Paningale won a WSBK race.  Great stuff!  Closer to standard, makes for better WSBK racing.  Do yourself a favour if you don't already.  Watch Superstock 1000.  That is what WSBK should be.

Maybe rules  such as  "teams can only use parts available over the counter", will eventually cause factory teams to take a hike.  

Not that it means much, but I think MotoGP is seen as the premier motorcycle racing category anyway. Even though I prefer SBK as it is production based, although just cosmetically.



This is my problem.  There is nothing production based on the factory world superbikes.  Well, sorry.  The badge on the tank.  In many case the false tank as where we would expect a fuel tank on a superbike, often there is none, or only part as they shift the tank lower, even under the seat depending on the tracks, etc. 

I love watching both MotoGP and WSBK, but MotoGP should be the prototypes.  WSBK should be closer to what we can buy of the shelve.   I do understand that some will disagree, but a superbike race in which the first 5 or so over the line is much closer to a MotoGP bike, makes little sense to me.

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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2015, 07:42:43 am »

I love watching both MotoGP and WSBK, but MotoGP should be the prototypes.  WSBK should be closer to what we can buy of the shelve.   I do understand that some will disagree, but a superbike race in which the first 5 or so over the line is much closer to a MotoGP bike, makes little sense to me.


I agree, SBK should be production based cosmetically as well as mechanically. But I think Factories can still be part of the setup, as they are in Stocks, to show what their bikes can do in real life.

Problem is, what would SBK be like without top tier riders if there are no factory budgets...
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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2015, 06:37:52 pm »

I love watching both MotoGP and WSBK, but MotoGP should be the prototypes.  WSBK should be closer to what we can buy of the shelve.   I do understand that some will disagree, but a superbike race in which the first 5 or so over the line is much closer to a MotoGP bike, makes little sense to me.


I agree, SBK should be production based cosmetically as well as mechanically. But I think Factories can still be part of the setup, as they are in Stocks, to show what their bikes can do in real life.

Problem is, what would SBK be like without top tier riders if there are no factory budgets...

I think SBK would adapt.  They may even get bigger sponsors if the bike were closer to real life.  Who knows?
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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2015, 09:13:05 am »
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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2015, 02:30:07 am »
Kawasaki kicking arse in WSBK .. just like old times.  8)
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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2015, 06:32:35 am »
Kawasaki kicking arse in WSBK .. just like old times.  8)

Those Kawas were super fast. Duc was good on speed, but seems Davies had issues. Haslam was nowhere. Except Sykes trying to fight of Rae, it was relative boring, but good to see somebody stepped up and showed the other teams how it is done.
 

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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2015, 12:42:53 pm »
Max Biaggi has made a sensational return to the World Superbike series by topping the first free practice session at Misano.

Making his first appearance in the series since he retired from racing at the close of 2012, Biaggi dominated the session, leading from the opening minutes and eventually finishing 0.47s clear of Chaz Davies in second.

It will probably change no doubt, but still pretty impressive.

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Re: Max Biaggi is back, and leads FP1
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2015, 11:57:11 am »
Max Biaggi has made a sensational return to the World Superbike series by topping the first free practice session at Misano.

Making his first appearance in the series since he retired from racing at the close of 2012, Biaggi dominated the session, leading from the opening minutes and eventually finishing 0.47s clear of Chaz Davies in second.

It will probably change no doubt, but still pretty impressive.



I wonder of WSBK is panicking as their popularity is falling away?  First Troy Bayliss made a two race "comeback".  Now Max Biaggi is n a two race "comeback" and lo and behold, guess who will be a test rider for Ducati over the next two months .... Carlos Cheka.  Won't be surprised if we see him in a race of two shortly.
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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2015, 09:00:26 am »
I'm not sure what the aim is of bringing back the old timers.

I still enjoy SBK, there are usually more guys fighting for the win, although they do have their long progression tracks as well.

Wasn't aware their popularity is falling away. But then I suppose races like the last VR46 MM93 are hard to beat.

I think though if I was a young gun at the top of my game and some old retiree pitched up for a fun ride and beat me, I might be a bit worried.

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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2015, 08:26:24 am »
I was really rooting for Rea to win this year's WSBK but if he doesn't beat Sykes soon, he's gonna be crowned the 'The Man Who Shouldn't be King'.................  :(
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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2015, 01:25:42 pm »
I was really rooting for Rea to win this year's WSBK but if he doesn't beat Sykes soon, he's gonna be crowned the 'The Man Who Shouldn't be King'.................  :(

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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2015, 06:37:26 pm »
Don't panic - it was but a senior moment - must have fallen asleep in the races where Rea beat Sykes recently .............  :peepwall:
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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2015, 03:44:11 pm »
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Re: SBK 2015
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2015, 09:01:07 am »
This has just got to be a little disheartening for the regular "top of my game" factory riders.

Malaysia, FP1 Results.

1. Max Biaggi ITA Red Devils Roma Aprilia RSV4 2m 04.823s
2. Chaz Davies GBR Aruba.it Racing Ducati 1199R 2m 04.972s
3. Jonathan Rea GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 2m 05.382s
4. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 2m 05.491s
5. Leon Haslam GBR Red Devils Roma Aprilia RSV4 2m 05.533s
6. Jordi Torres ESP Red Devils Roma Aprilia RSV4 2m 05.623s
7. Alex Lowes GBR Voltcom Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2m 05.806s
8. Randy de Puniet FRA Voltcom Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2m 05.920s
9. Sylvain Guintoli FRA PATA Honda CBR1000RR 2m 05.961s
10. Michael van der Mark NED PATA Honda CBR1000RR 2m 05.986s
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