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Offline african dust

what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« on: March 05, 2015, 07:12:31 am »
now that they have killed the Suzuki Dr 650 .... what is it going to be replaced with by Suzuki ?
has it been discontinued internationally ?
surely all the thumpers fall foul of the emissions or what ever issue there was ?
 
does anybody know ?
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2015, 07:23:35 am »
Only discontinued here , still available internationally , just like the XR650L and the KLR .
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2015, 09:14:14 am »
Not quite internationally. The KLR was discontinued in Europe due to the Euro emissions crap which hit us at the end of October 2013. The KLR basically was discontinued with the end of the KL650C production run I think in 2002(?) The Fugly was already discontuinued in the European market with the introduction of the C model in 1995 and never made it back into he showrooms (unlike SA where the Fugly's returned to the dealers in 2004). The KL650E was not sold in Europe at all.

With regards to the DR650SE and XR650L I am not sure when they were discontinued in Europe.

The DR650SE is currently available brand new in Australia and New Zealend as well as in the US of A and Canada.


The old school thumpers get "replaced" with two cylinder soft roaders like the V-Strom or outright road bikes like the Versys and that funny looking Honda with no clutch lever ::)
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2015, 12:05:35 pm »
see the KLR is still for sale in SA.. or is it old stock.

I assume the issue is the engine with regards to emissions .... will the v-strom engine work in the dr frame ? seems the easiest bypass for the manufactures as the dr was still popular and they are effectively shutting down a range.
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2015, 01:09:56 pm »
I would love to see how this works. The KLR emits 109.0 CO2 g/km but I cannot find the list where it states that this is too much.

On the website for naamsa http://www.naamsa.co.za/ecelabels/ a Fortuner emits 210 to 303 g/km, depending on the model.
On SARS website emissions taxes starts at 120 g/km.

I cannot find emission specs for other bikes or the official  cut-off list where it is legal or illegal.

Does anyone have that information or a link to it or can explain it to a dummy?
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2015, 01:19:31 pm »
The Japanese normally replace a model with the same bike with updated stickers  ::)
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2015, 01:23:45 pm »
I would love to see how this works. The KLR emits 109.0 CO2 g/km but I cannot find the list where it states that this is too much.

On the website for naamsa http://www.naamsa.co.za/ecelabels/ a Fortuner emits 210 to 303 g/km, depending on the model.
On SARS website emissions taxes starts at 120 g/km.

I cannot find emission specs for other bikes or the official  cut-off list where it is legal or illegal.

Does anyone have that information or a link to it or can explain it to a dummy?


There is no rational or logical reason other than the SA government trying to live up to the Jones's or in this case the Euro's . It is definitely not down to absolute emissions over here but rather to Euro emission laws . And even then it just doesn't make sense because with lane splitting for example a motorcycle would spend less time in traffic and by default have lower emissions .
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2015, 01:39:10 pm »
Emmissions aren't the reason these bikes are no longer imported.

They stopped importing them because they do not meet homologation requirments.

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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2015, 01:48:27 pm »
Wonder if they will ever go back to 500cc and make it efi.
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2015, 02:51:56 pm »
Emmissions aren't the reason these bikes are no longer imported.

They stopped importing them because they do not meet homologation requirments.

Google it.

So what has changed that they don't meet the homoligations anymore ?
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2015, 03:26:53 pm »
Nothing changed on the bikes

Legislation was enacted that gave manufacturers notice to either comply with standards or stop importing models that do not comply.

Here is the legislation:

http://www.nrcs.org.za/siteimgs/vc/L%20Category%20Comp.%20Spec%20(as%20Gaz).pdf%20(VC9098).pdf

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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2015, 03:57:10 pm »
And the XR650L passes that homo stuff but not the DR ?

How does all the Chinese scooters pass the homo stuff or does it not apply to them?

I am almost sure if Suzuki SA really wanted to they can still get DRs new.
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2015, 04:39:03 pm »
I just had a quick look through the document and I don't see anything that the DR / KLR or XRL does not comply with , when I spoke to one of the people from the importers I was told it was due to emissions where they had used the Euro specs , so basically 650 class with carbs wouldn't meet those standards . Guaranteed if any of those 3 bikes can't meet the standards then there is no ways that a Chinese model would meet them .
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2015, 06:02:00 pm »
So if someone with lots of moola decides to import a container full of  DRs from the USA would he be allowed to?


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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2015, 06:26:20 pm »
So if someone with lots of moola decides to import a container full of  DRs from the USA would he be allowed to?


A few things though , would have to be new seeing as importation of used motorcycles is no longer allowed , speedometer and  headlight would need changing to our LHD specs

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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2015, 06:29:37 pm »
So if someone with lots of moola decides to import a container full of  DRs from the USA would he be allowed to?


A few things though , would have to be new seeing as importation of used motorcycles is no longer allowed , speedometer and  headlight would need changing to our LHD specs


Yes I meant new.
It would be interesting to see what the sale volumes were say in the last five years of DRs in SA and Namibia.
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2015, 07:29:46 pm »
As far as I am aware it is not just the DR but the KLR and XRL as well .
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2015, 08:27:50 am »
But what bikes will we buy next? :/
Seems the DS bike range is dying out?
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2015, 08:50:02 am »
But what bikes will we buy next? :/
Seems the DS bike range is dying out?
Just imagine how easy it will be for Suzuki to update the DR, solid foundation is there. Add fuel injection and update the plastics and add a DRZ front fork. They will sell thousands  ???
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Re: what is replacing the Suzuki dr 650 ?
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2015, 09:35:50 am »
The bikes don't need any updates.

The bikes are legal in SA as long as they conform to Euro I which does not stipulate emission standards for bikes.
The problem is to obtain the homologation.

The importers bring in UK spec bikes which have current and valid Euro4 homologation from the factory and included in the price.

No large cc carb bike will pass Euro4 that's why there is no large cc carb bikes sold in the UK that's why there is no large cc carb bikes in SA


Except: According to unconfirmed rumors Kawasaki SA is in the process to bring back the KLR650 by getting it homologated for the South African market. Kawasaki Sa will have to fork out for the homologation but looking at them being able to sell a few hundred units a year I think it's financially viable.

Suzuki SA could do exactly the same with the DR650SE - once they wake up. An AUS / NZ spec DR will pass homologation as soon as some one takes it there and pays for it.


Left hand drive lights are not a major problem for the DR which over the years was made with three headlight inserts for the various markets, RHD, LHD and symmetrical low beam.

The KL650E was sold in SA with LHD asymmetric headlight means it's also just about pulling the correct part off the shelf.
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