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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2015, 09:31:26 pm »
Simple; heat and constant high revs. :ricky:
 

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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2015, 09:55:36 pm »
Simple; heat and constant high revs. :ricky:


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Re: Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2015, 10:43:54 pm »
I had a Suzuki RG50 Gamma. Really loved it.

Same.

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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2015, 11:08:57 pm »
Ek het leer ry op 'n MBX en MTX

Daai bikes was klein maar ons kon 2 ouens met matriek tasse rond ry sonder om te sukkel
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2015, 11:09:37 pm »
May they never make my first bike again. I could not handle that wicked raw power of the Honda SS. :eek7: :imaposer: :biggrin:



I had a red one as my 1st legal bike.

It wasn't fast, but it had more torque than most of my friend's 2s 50's.

If me and my friend with his MT5 both had cherries on the back he would have to shuffle gears at every bridge where I would just open up and roar on up at an astounding 75...
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It was also very easy with that bike to do a controlled powerslide / turn around on the gravel roads.

From when I was 12 I had: two Suz AC50's, then a MT5 (loved it), then the Honda SS50, then moved on to a RZ50 (with the compulsory KX60 kit) and then in matric I bought my brother's Vespa P150x.

Loved all the 50's I had - somehow the type of tyre or the shocks/bike design also had nothing to do with how much fun we had on the gravel roads, dry 'plaas damme', sand twee spoors and the railway service lines where I grew up.


But yes - back to the topic - no use in keeping the 50 alive (and in development) if the minimum legal size moved on to 125.

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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2015, 05:51:48 am »
Had a AR50 with 80cc kit on it. Reedvalves was done, ports polished, exhaust with seriaas expansion box.
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2015, 07:04:05 am »
The big problem with some of the 50's was that they did not have a throttle they had a volume control :peepwall:

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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2015, 07:25:35 am »
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2015, 07:53:48 am »
You mean home-movie?
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2015, 07:55:39 am »
Sorry, that was which killed the radio star...
 

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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2015, 08:20:40 am »
My cousin killed my 50cc


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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2015, 08:40:15 am »
Jis, i miss the little fokkers!
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2015, 08:57:51 am »
My first road bike, we had a Husqy on the farm but I used this to travel to school....
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2015, 08:59:54 am »
In the emerging unifying European market it went like this:
I quote from Germany, most of the other then EU countries had the same regulations at similar times in the late 70's and early 1980's.

Initially there were 50cc two stroke with no power restriction. Illegal tuning was everywhere same as crashes of youngsters on their more or less dangerous bikes. Insurance premiums were insane (a 50cc "Kleinkraftrad" premium was pretty much on par with a 50hp+ big bike :o some 1,000 DM / 500Euro a year for third party :o )

Parallel to the 50cc unlimited class the 80cc "Leichtkraftrad" with a 80km/h top speed restriction was introduced (I think in 1980?). This caused the almost instantaneous death of the 50's due to the insurance for an 80cc being much cheaper (About 1/4 if I remember correctly).
The 80cc two stroke anyway proved to be a rather unfortunate thing since every (then still ungoverned) truck would be breathing down your neck and try to overtake you on the open road.
This eventually caused the 80cc two strokes to be discarded in favour of the 125. Current EU legislation for a 16 year old is 125cc / 11kW.
Afaik only the Italians differed allowing their kids to ride 125cc without restrictions which led to bikes like the AF1 and Cagiva Mito 125 being very popular.
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2015, 09:05:18 am »
Some countries one still get 50cc. Here I am on a 50cc China-man scooter
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2015, 09:37:52 am »
My first 50cc was a Honda SS as per the picture, (not my bike) my old man paid R316 new from Dave's Mopeds in Rustenburg 1973, included an open face helmet and a pair of split lens goggles like the old pilots used. Registration number TRB 111.

Had it bored out to 72cc, used Pratley Putty to put a fake 49cc on the cylinder but the black paint was a dead give away! Also put a Honda Dax exhaust on it.

Used to ride to school and back, 35kms, 12 kms on gravel. Then weekends rode it to the local sokkie at Utopia Holiday Resort or ATKV Buffelspoort as well as riding over Breedts nek to come to Joburg. Had to jump off and push at a few places on Breedts Nek if I had a bag on the back but once on the tar it could run at 70km/h.

My old man sold it when I went to the army which pee'd me off a bit, but then he did buy me a VW Beetle......
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2015, 09:43:32 am »
The only ones you still get are the Aprillia RS4 50 and the Yamaha TZR 50 for the European market.

http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/it/prodotti/motocicli/supersport/tzr50_it.aspx

http://uk.aprilia.com/uk/en/index/models/bikes/road/RS4-50.html

That Aprillia RS4 50 looks sic!  :ricky:

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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2015, 09:58:46 am »
My white Honda MBX50DX (with bikini fairing!) rode circles around my fathers' Vespa 150PX. Top speed of 112km (with bigger front sprocket) and decent brakes. There was not much under 8000rpm, but between 8000 and 10500 was where everything happened. Had friend who ported their RG Gammas, but the power band rpm became so narrow that you had to slip the clutch all the time to stay in the narrow sweet zone...
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Re: What killed the 50cc bikes?
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2015, 10:04:50 am »
The only ones you still get are the Aprillia RS4 50 and the Yamaha TZR 50 for the European market.

http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/it/prodotti/motocicli/supersport/tzr50_it.aspx

http://uk.aprilia.com/uk/en/index/models/bikes/road/RS4-50.html

That Aprillia RS4 50 is sic!  :ricky:



A couple of years ago, a colleague bought a grey import  Eurpopean spec TZR for his son. The thing was horribly underpowered. Turned out it was restriced to 2kw
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