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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2015, 08:34:53 pm »
That was a massive piece of tyre that delaminated - I honestly believe that if the same happened with any other bike at 180km/h, the likely damage would be just as extensive.
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2015, 08:40:23 pm »
That was a massive piece of tyre that delaminated - I honestly believe that if the same happened with any other bike at 180km/h, the likely damage would be just as extensive.

Yeah.  I am wondering, a piece of thread like that come off the casing of the tire at 180,odd but not completely, at what force will it hit whatever it connects and how many times before coming off completely, or before the vehicle is at a standstill.  Jinne!  Can you imagine being hit by something like that?
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2015, 09:04:02 pm »
 I wonder who will come up with it first?

Who will design and market an under seat, mud(or tyre scrapnell) aluminium or stainless steel protector to be bolted over the current black plastic protector which is not very strong in above mentioned conditions, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Will you buy and fit one, I might especially after seeing this fred! I don't think it will qualify as bling.......

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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2015, 09:06:25 pm »
So, I sniffed around on Google images and now I want tires banned!    :eek7:









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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2015, 09:11:28 pm »
Would be nice to hear from the rider what emotions (not the liqued type in his underpants) and motions he went through and what actually happened plus conditions etc
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2015, 09:24:30 pm »
So, I sniffed around on Google images and now I want tires banned!    :eek7:











Ironic how it is just the lightweight, weak, plastic bodied cars that destroys themselves.
Expected of a roadcar, but not an "Enduro" moded D/S machine. :3some:
 

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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2015, 09:31:46 pm »
I wonder who will come up with it first?

Who will design and market an under seat, mud(or tyre scrapnell) aluminium or stainless steel protector to be bolted over the current black plastic protector which is not very strong in above mentioned conditions, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Will you buy and fit one, I might especially after seeing this fred! I don't think it will qualify as bling.......

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+1

All of this is actually the buying public's own fault - we always scream for the "lightest" possible machines - but gravity will always be gravity...
I'm sure BMW can make this bike "tyre-delamination-proof" - BUT NOT at the advertised weight !!!  8)
In this instance I'll put my money on the Japanese heavy weights - but yes -  I've got no proof ...  :-\
 

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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2015, 09:35:53 pm »
Until a XTZ1200 is as utterly vandalized by it's own rear foot, I will contend that it is much tougher than these new softshoe Beemers.
 

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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2015, 09:58:56 pm »
Until a XTZ1200 is as utterly vandalized by it's own rear foot, I will contend that it is much tougher than these new softshoe Beemers.
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2015, 10:00:47 pm »
Until a XTZ1200 is as utterly vandalized by it's own rear foot, I will contend that it is much tougher than these new softshoe Beemers.

Of course.  


Until a XTZ1200 is as utterly vandalized by it's own rear foot, I will contend that it is much tougher than these new softshoe Beemers.
Stem 100% saam en ook een van die redes hoekom ek een gekoop het.  :deal:

Jy het toe reeds geweet die STen sal so tire strike hanteer en die BMW nie!?

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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #90 on: April 11, 2015, 10:16:01 pm »
Ironic how it is just the lightweight, weak, plastic bodied cars that destroys themselves.
Expected of a roadcar, but not an "Enduro" moded D/S machine. :3some:


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Ja.  Toemaar.  Ek weet. Ironic how only a Ford will suffer serious damage.  Ford is soft and crap.



Yeah ... don't worry.  I know.  Double wheel busses heavy ... just like the fat bastard Beemers.



« Last Edit: April 11, 2015, 10:22:16 pm by AMZ »
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #91 on: April 12, 2015, 01:31:24 am »
Like I said earlier in this tread:
I have been a paramedic for most of my life
I have done a fair bit of accident investigation
I had access to the COC and was looking at the tapes over and over again on a daily basis to see how some accidents had happened
Based on my experience there is no other explanation to this, I have seen enough.
Low pressure and prolonged speed, heat build up = disaster
People should pay attention and never ride a new bike so hard in the first weeks of ownership but gradually come into it and meant with the bike
To have a new bike and ride it like that without the experience to feel a soft wheel is bad luck but also (sorry) stupid
This man must go and say thank you to God that his number did not come up because it was closer than he might think
Hopefully his insurance will repair - that is if he can prof that he did not do 180km/h on a public road as the clock is stuck
They can retrieve that information from the computer box if it still can be retrieved
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #92 on: April 12, 2015, 07:39:34 am »
I wonder who will come up with it first?

Who will design and market an under seat, mud(or tyre scrapnell) aluminium or stainless steel protector to be bolted over the current black plastic protector which is not very strong in above mentioned conditions, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Will you buy and fit one, I might especially after seeing this fred! I don't think it will qualify as bling.......

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Someone is bound to come up with one, but it would have to bolt pretty solidly to spots that won't just be destroyed anyway.

I wouldn't buy one though.  Don't see the need, just as I don't see the need for radiator guards, headlight guards, etc.
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #93 on: April 12, 2015, 08:00:31 am »
Like I said earlier in this tread:
I have been a paramedic for most of my life
I have done a fair bit of accident investigation
I had access to the COC and was looking at the tapes over and over again on a daily basis to see how some accidents had happened
Based on my experience there is no other explanation to this, I have seen enough.
Low pressure and prolonged speed, heat build up = disaster
People should pay attention and never ride a new bike so hard in the first weeks of ownership but gradually come into it and meant with the bike
To have a new bike and ride it like that without the experience to feel a soft wheel is bad luck but also (sorry) stupid
This man must go and say thank you to God that his number did not come up because it was closer than he might think
Hopefully his insurance will repair - that is if he can prof that he did not do 180km/h on a public road as the clock is stuck
They can retrieve that information from the computer box if it still can be retrieved
He shoud be so relieved if the insurance helps him!
I agree. Either great riding skills or pure luck kept this rider in the seat. A tyre will only look that bad if it gets completely overcooked. With very low tyre pressure you might even manage to cook your tyre within the speed limit.
Any insurance might reject the claim once your speed has been recorded over the legal speed limit.
Isn't excessive speed the cause of most (all) incidents and accidents on bikes, especially when it comes to tyres?

I often ride my tyres under inflated on tar after a off-road session and they get hot even well  below the speed limit.
 

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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #94 on: April 12, 2015, 08:28:44 am »
I ride mine below what the BMW computer reckons it should be when playing on track.  The flashing warning is so visible an irritating that I plak a bit of tape over it.  Not sure how one would miss that for a long enough period to cook the tire.  It is possible I suppose.
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #95 on: April 12, 2015, 09:20:44 am »
Puncture in 200km / h on a BMW 1200GS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuS0WmrThy0

So it can survive a high speed puncture.
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #96 on: April 12, 2015, 10:05:34 am »
A puncture is one thing but if a tyre spits out it's entire thread, you are in serious trouble.
It completely collapses in no time.
 

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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #97 on: April 12, 2015, 10:13:53 am »
Snaaks die shaft drive het nie ook uitgeval nie  :pot:  :peepwall:  :imaposer:
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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2015, 10:25:35 am »
Maybe I am just the ignorant little tjop sitting in the back of the class,

But......

Could this kind of "tyre damage" have been caused from something coming loose from the "undercarriage" and lodging itself between the tyre and swingarm?
Thereafter leading the ultimate end of the tyre by: Excessive heat; under inlfation; "shredding"; or just being torn apart?


This was my very first thought when I saw the original post...

just a few Cents...
 

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Re: "Bursting" the rear Michelin on a 600km young 1200GS LC ...
« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2015, 12:57:23 pm »
I'm sure this guy would not have deflated the tyre himself - remember - it's a new bike he picked-up the day before from the Dealer - so the initial pressure should have been correct. He hasn't been on any gravel yet and was actually still getting the "feeling" for his new ride. Apparently he is an old hand at the bars with a moto-x background and as I've said a few large KTM's previously ...
Fact remains - it was just not his time yet!!!  :eek7: He also had nothing bad to say about the GS - and was adamant that we strap it down to the truck very carefully - as he didn't want any additional scratches on his new bike ...  ::)