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Offline JacoM

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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2015, 01:07:34 pm »
I am not a MX track rider - offroad and enduro at medium to "slightly" fast pace is my game.

I went for the YZ250 for the following reasons:
It's "cheap" - Mid R20k's buys a nice clean machine.
From 2006 models onwards it has the best suspension of the 250's- according to magazines, etc. (source google....)
Its extremely light - can actually be loaded on a bakkie by one person
Yamaha dealer is basically on my front door step - KTM is moer and gone somewhere south of me....
I was conserned re KTM maintenance cost for a bike that is 5 to 7 years old (my price bracket)
It is way better in soft sand than the KDX I test road a few times - The KDX I had to ride full throttle most of the time with engine screaming at max RPM.
The YZ has enough Torque and power - especially with the YZ gearbox which has tighter ratio's? - I do not need more speed at the moment as racing is not a requirement. It pulls nicely from idle
Fitting a weighted flywheel I will consider later and can do it myself.
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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2015, 05:52:24 pm »
I see Yamaha has a new bike now. YZ250X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b0AK4rPNls

The KLX is gone
Do I get a KTM 200 EXC  or do I get the 250. Very difficult choice if one cant test ride like one can adventure or street bikes.

What I see on the 200 is that it's light as well as luggable with the 6 gears. It's not got that hit of say a YZ250 but I'm wondering if the 250 might be better suited. I just want a bike I can do trail rides, quarry rides and then later some funduro events with but ot something that will tire me out trying to maintain throttle control. The 2Stroke YZ250 is not what i want for instance. Too much on off type power. It's made for the MX track.

Currently the YZ250F doees that duty (Trail rides only thus far)and does well, but I am wanting a KTM 2 Stroke now.
Maybe I should just see what the best deal I can get will be and go for tat.



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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2015, 09:33:04 am »
In my experience, the KTM 250 is harder hitting and a "sharper tool" than the 300.  If you want an easy going 2T, the 300 is actually a better option.
 

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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2015, 09:54:27 am »
In my experience, the KTM 250 is harder hitting and a "sharper tool" than the 300.  If you want an easy going 2T, the 300 is actually a better option.
And from the Reviews I looked at, the YZ 250 has the widest power band (meaning pulling better at lower refs with the "kick" not as hard as the other 250's)
The one YZ I test rode had a heavier flywheel installed, and it did feel quite "torquey". Also, mine came with a newly installed (I think FMF/Powercore 2 ) exhaust and , for now, I am very happy with the character of power delivery.
Can someone in the know please comment on the weighted flywheel mod for a YZ250? (what weight is best for enduro/offroad, etc.)
 

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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2015, 10:23:44 am »
In my experience, the KTM 250 is harder hitting and a "sharper tool" than the 300.  If you want an easy going 2T, the 300 is actually a better option.

Really? Hmmm...... this makes things even harder.
Technically though one can get a 250 and upgrade to 300 or get a 300 and downgrade to 250. (Cylinder kits.)
So you guys are basically saying the KTM 200 EXC is not the one to go for due to the sand in Western Cape?
I've ridden an old KDX200... it was quite fun but couldn't test it that much. hence my thought on the 200 EXC.
Anyone ridden a KDX200 in the dunes / sand and can report?


@JacoM
I've ridden a YZ250 a few times now with the flywheel mod. It allows you to lug it more, and prevent it from stalling but really...the hit on the YZ250 2stroke is still there and the suspension, while excellent, is really setup for MX not trail. It deflects of everything etc. (OK the suspension was setup for a heavier rider than me.)
It's very on/off and I really get tired when riding it esp compared to my YZ250F which is smooth as silk and soft suspension.
I suspect though with a weighted flywheel, WR gearbox mod, suspension tuning, and maybe a change down in sprocket a bit will make it way more suited.

Thats basically what Yamaha seems to be doing now with that YZ250X out the box.

The Yamaha is cheap and reliable and the dealership carries spares in stock...love that. But yeah, the YZ250 for me personally is not the right machine for me. Unless I can test ride one with a WR gearbox conversion, Weighted flywheel - the works etc.

Apparently the Beta RR300 is even better than the KTm 300, but yeah... pricey.
I don't want to spend a small fortune on a plastic toy. So I dont want to go too fancy.



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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2015, 02:07:18 pm »
The nice thing about a KTM 300 is that the demand is spectacular.  You will be able to sell it easily if you don't gel. However, a 2T in dunes and deep sand is quite a frenetic affair.  A 450 4T is much easier to manage and to maintain traction.

I live in the Northern Cape and I regularly race a 300 2T in sand conditions (doing the Toyota 1000 on it the end of the month) but its because I detest 4T running costs when raced, not because its a better tool for the job.

From what I read here in terms of the likely application of the bike, a standard Yam WR450 will do a better job without any of the faffing.
 

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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2015, 02:07:50 pm »
Not helping, am I  :biggrin:
 

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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2015, 04:41:34 pm »
I see Yamaha has a new bike now. YZ250X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b0AK4rPNls

The KLX is gone
Do I get a KTM 200 EXC  or do I get the 250. Very difficult choice if one cant test ride like one can adventure or street bikes.

What I see on the 200 is that it's light as well as luggable with the 6 gears. It's not got that hit of say a YZ250 but I'm wondering if the 250 might be better suited. I just want a bike I can do trail rides, quarry rides and then later some funduro events with but ot something that will tire me out trying to maintain throttle control. The 2Stroke YZ250 is not what i want for instance. Too much on off type power. It's made for the MX track.

Currently the YZ250F doees that duty (Trail rides only thus far)and does well, but I am wanting a KTM 2 Stroke now.
Maybe I should just see what the best deal I can get will be and go for tat.





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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #48 on: June 10, 2015, 02:41:55 pm »
Sold. Short heartbreakign story :D

With the YZ and KLX making space I can focus on a new toy :D
Bill, had a 450 and they weight etc aint what I'm after.
Running a YZ250 2t in the sand is ok, only a bit on off for me. I'm not running in comps or trying to be the next flying dutchman. Just want to ride along without making that engine beg for mercy when it's only going like 30km/h for instance.

The more I read, and look at this i think KTM 250  / KTM300 EXC / XC-W or Beta RR300 would be the ticket.


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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #49 on: June 10, 2015, 03:01:34 pm »
Nee, moenie nou jouself rondf...
Jy wil n KTM he so gaan vir hom. Jy sal nie spyt wees. Waarskynlik n bietjie duurder om te maintain, maar hoeveel kan dit nou wees op n 2stroke?
Sterkte met jou besluit.
ps. Ek dink ook die 300 is so na aan ideaal as wat jy kan kry. Stadig ry en torque soos n 4stroke.
Ek sou ook gaan vir die 300 maar is in die proses om vloot eienaar te word met al my seuns......
Sou anderkant van R50k moes hoes vir soortgelyke kondisie as die yz.
 

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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2015, 03:32:29 pm »
Nee, moenie nou jouself rondf...
Jy wil n KTM he so gaan vir hom. Jy sal nie spyt wees. Waarskynlik n bietjie duurder om te maintain, maar hoeveel kan dit nou wees op n 2stroke?
Sterkte met jou besluit.
ps. Ek dink ook die 300 is so na aan ideaal as wat jy kan kry. Stadig ry en torque soos n 4stroke.
Ek sou ook gaan vir die 300 maar is in die proses om vloot eienaar te word met al my seuns......
Sou anderkant van R50k moes hoes vir soortgelyke kondisie as die yz.

Dankie jacoM

"Vloot Eienaar"...  :biggrin:

Kyk yamaha kan mens nie verkeerd nie glo ek, maar ja, die 2t sal seker nou nie te duur wees nie, alhoewel ek hoor die starter is amper R4k as jy will nuut koop en replace  :o maar opsies om hom te fik vir R1K so...nie so bad nie. 
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Re: KTM 200
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2015, 03:11:48 pm »
Nee, moenie nou jouself rondf...
Jy wil n KTM he so gaan vir hom. Jy sal nie spyt wees. Waarskynlik n bietjie duurder om te maintain, maar hoeveel kan dit nou wees op n 2stroke?
Sterkte met jou besluit.
ps. Ek dink ook die 300 is so na aan ideaal as wat jy kan kry. Stadig ry en torque soos n 4stroke.
Ek sou ook gaan vir die 300 maar is in die proses om vloot eienaar te word met al my seuns......
Sou anderkant van R50k moes hoes vir soortgelyke kondisie as die yz.

Amper n YZ250 met WR gearbox gevat maar n WD het toe respond.
Ek het toe gegaan vir die KTM 250 XCW :D
Sy starter is kas toe, so sal dit moet fix maar hy skop maklik aan die brand en ek soek na n kicksand/sidestand vir hom.

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