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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #60 on: February 01, 2016, 08:51:03 am »
HI Guys , what dealers are taking deposits ? all the ones I spoke to just want to put you on a list !
 

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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2016, 03:09:51 pm »
Well, some interesting numbers have emerged from this poll ... thanks to those who voted and your comments.

Now that we know a lot more than we did about the new AT in mid May when I started this, two things are clear;

1) the interest to purchase has grown from 7 to 10, so a 43% increase, and

2) the price of this bike will erode # 1 above as the "I might buy" vote has fallen from 24 to 12, so a 50% drop. This coupled with the "I can't afford it right now" vote having risen from 10 to 15 is a 50% increase, this means that the price of this bike is a BIG factor as we can see.  

I really hope that Honda have factored in real term realities like this pole has shown us.

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« Last Edit: February 19, 2016, 01:54:22 pm by Ian in Great Brak River »
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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2016, 03:27:59 pm »
The majority of guys that can afford (I think) did not participate or are not even on the forum. When I bought my NC at Cayenne there were constant enquiries and a Buzz amongst the sales people that this is going to be a hit and will sell faster they can assemble . There are still a lot of people out there with money......you know I was there for one day as I could not go back to Brits and to Johannesburg to collect the bike. So I clocked in at 10am and done the deal and waited for my bike which was ready just pas 5pm. In that time (including me) the bell was sounded 7 times! In one day the sold 5 New and 2 second hand bikes. Not cheap bikes like my nc, aprillia adv bike with all the bells and whistles,  supervises, and even a cruiser. I had a word with the one guy who bought a bike for R160k cash..... he does that every 2 years. Most of us who play around on the forums (well count me in on that group) love bikes, share the passion and dreams but can't affort the high end of the market  unfortunately for us the New AT is on that end...... seems Honda will cater for the 'armgatte' as well soon as there are rumours of a 500 twin DS bike to be launched. If that is true I don't know, but we can only  continue dreaming for now.



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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2016, 03:35:43 pm »
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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2016, 04:39:00 pm »
I put 45K down in August 2015 for a white ABS bike , have been putting 3k , 5k , whatever K I have to my local Honda dealer to pay the bike off - I am 110k in and in Dec changed my mind to a red DCT version - if I sell my existing bikes I will have paid the bike off otherwise the last bit is on the access bond - I keep phone-ing the Honda dealer to check if there has been a price fluctuation , his words are that there is always an allowance to this factored in by Honda - but by how much ? I can take the 189 000 hit but any further up is not doable  - down to the ABS model if the prices start to reflect real rand value - my hope is Honda sticks to their word this first round and adjusts after - holding thumbs 

Agreed. That will be the next big gripe from potential new owners. If arrival dates are only in March/April a whole lot is still up in the air price wise. We can only hope the price stays at what they projected.

So it seems those that have put money down on the AT will be getting the first shipment at the 'covered ' price ie the price advertised - after that who knows . Apparently the first shipment amount is very few due to Europe sucking up all the stock - only 190 for SA , the jist of a conversation I had was that if you haven't paid your deposit by now it is very unlikely you will be able to get a bike in the near future - the first bikes ( ABS and DCT ) arrive in April .

Potentially Honda SA should have bought the forward cover on the shipment - that's what just about every importer of anything does these days, so potentially the prices for the first shipments will be fixed already. Potentially......

I am seriously considering trading the Lump in on a white ABS model..... Hmm.....  :eek7:

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« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2016, 07:46:05 pm »
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I put 45K down in August 2015 for a white ABS bike , have been putting 3k , 5k , whatever K I have to my local Honda dealer to pay the bike off - I am 110k in and in Dec changed my mind to a red DCT version - if I sell my existing bikes I will have paid the bike off otherwise the last bit is on the access bond - I keep phone-ing the Honda dealer to check if there has been a price fluctuation , his words are that there is always an allowance to this factored in by Honda - but by how much ? I can take the 189 000 hit but any further up is not doable  - down to the ABS model if the prices start to reflect real rand value - my hope is Honda sticks to their word this first round and adjusts after - holding thumbs 

Agreed. That will be the next big gripe from potential new owners. If arrival dates are only in March/April a whole lot is still up in the air price wise. We can only hope the price stays at what they projected.

So it seems those that have put money down on the AT will be getting the first shipment at the 'covered ' price ie the price advertised - after that who knows . Apparently the first shipment amount is very few due to Europe sucking up all the stock - only 190 for SA , the jist of a conversation I had was that if you haven't paid your deposit by now it is very unlikely you will be able to get a bike in the near future - the first bikes ( ABS and DCT ) arrive in April .

Potentially Honda SA should have bought the forward cover on the shipment - that's what just about every importer of anything does these days, so potentially the prices for the first shipments will be fixed already. Potentially......

I am seriously considering trading the Lump in on a white ABS model..... Hmm.....  :eek7:


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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2016, 03:27:27 pm »
Deal done and dusted - deposit paid on a DCT model and invoice in my name - getting the bike in April - apparently only 190 bikes coming into the country this year and of that 15 will be DCT models   ( heresay ) - cant wait , never had a new vehicle , bike before . The pricing has stayed the same as quoted by Honda last year - will be interesting what the next batch for 2017 will cost .

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« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2016, 03:28:46 pm »
Deal done and dusted - deposit paid on a DCT model and invoice in my name - getting the bike in April - apparently only 190 bikes coming into the country this year and of that 15 will be DCT models   ( heresay ) - cant wait , never had a new vehicle , bike before . The pricing has stayed the same as quoted by Honda last year - will be interesting what the next batch for 2017 will cost .
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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2016, 04:26:36 pm »
What will the price be for the non DCT model...............talking about the standard list price?
 

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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2016, 05:02:52 pm »
What will the price be for the non DCT model...............talking about the standard list price?


Last I heard it would be R160K
Five grand more than they initially hoped it would cost
And remember, this is for the base model, so no ABS nor traction controll
 

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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #70 on: February 17, 2016, 07:45:15 pm »
Well, some interesting numbers have emerged from this pole ... thanks to those who voted and your comments.

Now that we know a lot more than we did about the new AT in mid May when I started this, two things are clear;

1) the interest to purchase has grown from 7 to 10, so a 43% increase, and

2) the price of this bike will erode # 1 above as the "I might buy" vote has fallen from 24 to 12, so a 50% drop. This coupled with the "I can't afford it right now" vote having risen from 10 to 15 is a 50% increase, this means that the price of this bike is a BIG factor as we can see.  

I really hope that Honda have factored in real term realities like this pole has shown us.

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A lot has changed in 2 weeks it seems and for me the interesting stat is #3 below;

1) the "I Will Buy" has gone up to 11 from 7 in May, so good commitment there,

2) the "I Might Buy" has narrowed from the original 24 in May to 12 two weeks back, now up to 14, and

3) the "I Will Not Buy" has come down 50% from 8 in May to 4 today.

As expected the price of this bike will be crucial to many as the can't afford it group stays at 20.

Again, I hope Honda are keeping their ear to the groundswell of opinion.

Can't wait to see this thing in the flesh!







 
« Last Edit: February 17, 2016, 07:47:33 pm by Ian in Great Brak River »
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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2016, 08:05:23 pm »
What will the price be for the non DCT model...............talking about the standard list price?


Last I heard it would be R160K
Five grand more than they initially hoped it would cost
And remember, this is for the base model, so no ABS nor traction controll

That is a tad expensive.
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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #72 on: February 17, 2016, 09:48:38 pm »
Phoned Honda yesterday. Price for top model is now R190k
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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2016, 09:01:15 am »
Phoned Honda yesterday. Price for top model is now R190k
There goes my dream bike........." :xxbah:

This shouldn't come as a surprise. The prices haven't changed in six months

Honda called me and I will decide on which model, and pay my 10%

Happy to do that ... I want, 8)

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Please note that orders for the new 2016 Africa Twin open as from today.

We request a 10% deposit to confirm and place the order.

Prices are as following:

1. Standard: No ABS or TCS                                  R155000 (Including Vat)
Colours: Silver or Black

2. Full Specs: Manual ABS & TCS & MT                 R168000 (Including Vat)
Colours: White Tri Colour or Dakar Red

3. Full Specs Auto: TCS & ABS & DCT                   R189000 (Including Vat)
Colours: White Tri Colour or Dakar Red
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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2016, 09:10:40 am »
Actually very well priced if Honda stick to that, I dont think those "launch" prices will hold long though!
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« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2016, 09:13:03 am »
Another opinion.......
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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2016, 01:53:52 pm »
Interesting comparrison in those tables, clearly the BM still rules the roost here, followed by the KTM ... no surprise at all.

The AT is not and I don't believe it ever was meant to be a 1200cc conntender, but if compared with the other two, in the UK at least, it's 33% cheaper than the KTM and 42% less than the BMW ... That's a lot of accessories!

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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #77 on: February 19, 2016, 08:47:32 am »
It is spelled poll not pole  :peepwall:
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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #78 on: February 19, 2016, 01:57:11 pm »
It is spelled poll not pole  :peepwall:

Bliksem! Well, it is certainly rewarding that someone is reading, and paying some attention to this poll ... Well spotted boet, you get the gold star in class for today.

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Re: New Africa Twin - so who's buying one?
« Reply #79 on: February 19, 2016, 02:10:18 pm »
It is spelled poll not pole  :peepwall:

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