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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2015, 06:47:16 pm »
AMZ jy is amper reg. Hierdie is soos rugby, elke man het sy span of hy nou wen en of hy verloor dit bly sy span.

Jy maak heeltemal te veel sin vir die debat!   :lol8:
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2015, 06:48:38 pm »
AMZ jy is amper reg. Hierdie is soos rugby, elke man het sy span of hy nou wen en of hy verloor dit bly sy span.

You cannot be more wrong. This is a survey, in which owners' respective experiences around motorcycle brands, in this case around reliability, is collected.
Yamaha came out on top, and this is as normal as the sun rising in the east.

Understand the survey, do not fear it, it is not telling you what to ride, although a wise man would see strong clues in it for future choices. :thumleft:


Why would I fear it.  I would have been extremely surprised if Yamaha was not in the top 2.
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2015, 06:50:33 pm »
AMZ jy is amper reg. Hierdie is soos rugby, elke man het sy span of hy nou wen en of hy verloor dit bly sy span.

You cannot be more wrong. This is a survey, in which owners' respective experiences around motorcycle brands, in this case around reliability, is collected.
Yamaha came out on top, and this is as normal as the sun rising in the east.

Understand the survey, do not fear it, it is not telling you what to ride, although a wise man would see strong clues in it for future choices. :thumleft:


Why would I fear it.  I would have been extremely surprised if Yamaha was not in the top 2.

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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2015, 07:26:58 am »
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2015, 07:52:49 am »
Germans and Japanese seems to be a bit perfectionist. This is just observing their products, and attitudes. It might be a generalization, but if there is some truth in this, maybe it helps explain the high quality stuff we get from these countries. Unfortunately, greed is always there, lurking in the background which may influence decisions made, which may ultimately compromise quality of products.

Just think of Honda (I like Honda), the people in this company are purists. I respect that. They still don't have a petrol turbo car, think about that. Why? Why is the Honda fireblade SP without fancy electronics, the motor blueprinted (even though it only gives another 2hp), not as much power as top rivals, no quick shifter...why are these okes not directly targeting the competition like most other motorcycle companies do? I like to think that they are purists, and they engineer and produce for more than just money, they have a passion for what they do. There were car engines that they also blueprinted, ported..look at the reliability of the v-tec heads of their engines, it's not only about power, but reliability. the new Africa-Twin, seemingly under powered and overweight, the Honda team do not let them be dictated to by market research, they do things (seemingly) based mostly on principle, not on whether they can get as big a part of the adventure market pie as possible. due respect  :salut:   and this kind of sentiment is probably true for the other japanese brands as well, but I like Honda most
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2015, 08:11:44 am »
so in 12300 motorcycles that came in for failures, not one of them was a KTM?   :eek7:
 

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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2015, 08:20:33 am »
Things that go wrong

Repaired parts           Percent of repaired motorcycles
Electrical system              24%
Accessories                       19%
Brakes                                18%
Fuel system                       13%
Clutch                                   8%
Body panels                        6%
Drive system                       6%
Valve train                           5%
Front suspension               5%
Cooling system                   4%
Piston                                   4%
Transmission                      4%
 

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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2015, 08:21:07 am »
Despite a lack of data, Consumer Reports says the median repair costs ranged from $269 for Kawasaki to $455 for BMW. Dual-sport/adventure bikes and cruisers were less expensive to repair, costing $313 and $322 on average, and sport touring models were pricier at $383.

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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2015, 08:25:26 am »
Things that go wrong

Repaired parts           Percent of repaired motorcycles
Electrical system              24%
Accessories                       19%
Brakes                                18%
Fuel system                       13%
Clutch                                   8%
Body panels                        6%
Drive system                       6%
Valve train                           5%
Front suspension               5%
Cooling system                   4%
Piston                                   4%
Transmission                      4%

thanks for the stats. could have expected that the electrics/electronics was the biggest issue. in the past, there was less of this, so that might be greatly why older bikes are more reliable
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2015, 08:48:09 am »
in the past, there was less of this,

Unless it was italian....
 

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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2015, 01:34:33 pm »
Having attended a few biker rallies over the years,
I have the utmost respect for Suzuki 4-cylinder motors.
They effortlessly go stone cold from zero to rev-limiter
in only 0.5 seconds at 3AM...!  :eek7:
This effect is contagious as one hears one, then a reply from the far side of the camp,
followed by another and another...

Territory marking, perhaps?    :sip:
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2015, 02:11:10 pm »
Having attended a few biker rallies over the years,
I have the utmost respect for Suzuki 4-cylinder motors.
They effortlessly go stone cold from zero to rev-limiter
in only 0.5 seconds at 3AM...!  :eek7:
This effect is contagious as one hears one, then a reply from the far side of the camp,
followed by another and another...

Territory marking, perhaps?    :sip:
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2015, 02:11:58 pm »
the most reliable motorcycle happens to be the one I ride right now. short answer.

......2nd most reliable - sy groot boetie het daai eer XRV 750 Africa Twin - "and that is all she wrote!"

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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2015, 02:12:44 pm »
Germans and Japanese seems to be a bit perfectionist. This is just observing their products, and attitudes. It might be a generalization, but if there is some truth in this, maybe it helps explain the high quality stuff we get from these countries. Unfortunately, greed is always there, lurking in the background which may influence decisions made, which may ultimately compromise quality of products.

Just think of Honda (I like Honda), the people in this company are purists. I respect that. They still don't have a petrol turbo car, think about that. Why? Why is the Honda fireblade SP without fancy electronics, the motor blueprinted (even though it only gives another 2hp), not as much power as top rivals, no quick shifter...why are these okes not directly targeting the competition like most other motorcycle companies do? I like to think that they are purists, and they engineer and produce for more than just money, they have a passion for what they do. There were car engines that they also blueprinted, ported..look at the reliability of the v-tec heads of their engines, it's not only about power, but reliability. the new Africa-Twin, seemingly under powered and overweight, the Honda team do not let them be dictated to by market research, they do things (seemingly) based mostly on principle, not on whether they can get as big a part of the adventure market pie as possible. due respect  :salut:   and this kind of sentiment is probably true for the other japanese brands as well, but I like Honda most

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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #54 on: September 03, 2015, 02:14:13 pm »
Most reliable and unbreakable engine ever for me was my GPZ1100 B1
I still sometimes think about this bike and wonder where it is. Probably on the scrap heap  :xxbah:
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2015, 02:17:12 pm »
daai mal hollander van R1goesextreme se dual purpose R1 het al oor die 300k km op en volgens hom nog nooit oop nie.


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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #56 on: September 03, 2015, 02:18:35 pm »
Most reliable and unbreakable engine ever for me was my GPZ1100 B1
I still sometimes think about this bike and wonder where it is. Probably on the scrap heap  :xxbah:

Wonder of dit dieselfde enjin was as my 1100 shaft. Bulletproof  :thumleft: En dan was daar die 1.1's

Edit : Sorry, 1.1 Special was a Yammie. Daar was nou 'n harde enjin
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #57 on: September 03, 2015, 02:25:10 pm »
Most reliable and unbreakable engine ever for me was my GPZ1100 B1
I still sometimes think about this bike and wonder where it is. Probably on the scrap heap  :xxbah:

Wonder of dit dieselfde enjin was as my 1100 shaft. Bulletproof  :thumleft: En dan was daar die 1.1's

Edit : Sorry, 1.1 Special was a Yammie. Daar was nou 'n harde enjin

Min of meer dieselfde kawa motors gewees.
1.1 Yammie se 2de gear het n slegte rep gehad. Ek kan die 1.1 en die kawa motors nou so voor my oe sien.
Daai special swart met goue rims was baie mooi en toe kom die FJ 1100 uit daarna. Daai era se bikes was net vir my die mooiste goed.
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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #58 on: September 03, 2015, 07:55:50 pm »
so in 12300 motorcycles that came in for failures, not one of them was a KTM?   :eek7:

Their owners are still walking home. Just wait till they reach home, then you'll see them phone in and complain. :pot:
 

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Re: Who makes the most reliable motorcycle?
« Reply #59 on: September 03, 2015, 08:26:30 pm »
so in 12300 motorcycles that came in for failures, not one of them was a KTM?   :eek7:

Their owners are still walking home. Just wait till they reach home, then you'll see them phone in and complain. :pot:


Exactly, what's the point of including KTM in a RELIABILITY survey :imaposer: