1190R Broken Frame

[TheBear]

How is this KTM's fault?  Surely a buyer should do his own research before buying?

Ok easy there tiger. Let's try to keep the discussion technical

The name is AMZ, not so much tiger.

I am interested in understanding why 2wdrift feels that way, so I asked him.  I am pretty sure he is able to respond and will do so shortly.

[silvrav]

 

[2wdrift]

find out from manic what happened to his frame crack story - I would insist KTM fixes!

I'm beginning to believe that KTM sold me a bike that isnt suitable for the purpose. Hence I may be able to claim via the consumer protection act.

After the airbox fuckup and suspension issues I have had plus this I dont know if I want the bike back, especially when I bought it to travel through africa. I cant trust it.
Dont get me wrong its one of the best all round bikes on the planet IMHO but its just not the right bike for me.

How is this KTM's fault?  Surely a buyer should do his own research before buying?

KTM advertising has pictures of the bike being ridden hard in a desert somewhere, there are pics of the bike being jumped and being drifted around with "luggage" on the bike. I saw those pics and said, yes I ride like that often they advertise the bike using those images so the bike must have been built for that. Thus leading me to believe that the 1190R was built with the purpose of being ridden off the beaten path at speed as shown in those pictures.

After having said that, the airbox issues left me with a very bad taste in my mouth with denials of the problem left right and centre. For a bike obviously designed to be ridden off paved roads or even just in africa this is unacceptable. The suspension is so easily bottomed out that I had decent damage from riding a normal dirt road and hitting a bit of a bump, where my 1200GSA was fine, they did not do a warranty claim. The front rim bent and went flat instantly when I hit a rock the size of a tennis ball at about 60-70km/h, nearly causing a crash while I was riding rather slowly and carefully on a road I ride every day.  

There have been numerous little things that broke while just riding normally on washboard gravel roads, yet this is an adventure bike for the more off road rider.

When I bought the bike I told the salesman what I plan on using the bike for, and how I tend to ride over what terrain. He was adamant that the bike is perfect for what I want to do with it. After this I asked them to fit the unifilter, he once again was adamant that the airbox issues were solved on the 2014 models so he convinced me not to go that route. At 10k km when the bike wouldnt run anymore due to dust bypassing the airfilter and fucking up the motor. They told me it was just a valve clearance issue and when I mentioned I would prefer a new motor for peace of mind I was looked at as though I was crazy.

I cant trust this bike in africa like my original plan was for the bike.

[silvrav]

eish, en ek kyk na n 1190....sal maar moet 2 keur dink nou

[Roadhawg]

eish, en ek kyk na n 1190....sal maar moet 2 keur dink nou

I wouldnt let this stop you.


These are forums, and forums tend to be a collection of problems and okes dont post the thousands of brilliant KMs they did, only the 3 shitty ones.


It seems the Unifilter or Rotti setup cures the airbox problems. That's a fix for that, so don't even worry about it.

[2wdrift]

eish, en ek kyk na n 1190....sal maar moet 2 keur dink nou

Do you weigh more than 110kg? Do you ride hard off road? Do you believe sales people?

If yes to two or more then dont. Otherwise its the most fun bike ever.

[Bundu]

2WD can you perhaps post some pics of the crack/s that would indicate exactly where they are?

[2wdrift]

I will, I am going to the dealership this morning. Should be there around 11 ish. Will take pics and attempt to post via tapatalk.

[TheBear]

How is this KTM's fault?  Surely a buyer should do his own research before buying?

KTM advertising has pictures of the bike being ridden hard in a desert somewhere, there are pics of the bike being jumped and being drifted around with "luggage" on the bike. I saw those pics and said, yes I ride like that often they advertise the bike using those images so the bike must have been built for that. Thus leading me to believe that the 1190R was built with the purpose of being ridden off the beaten path at speed as shown in those pictures.

After having said that, the airbox issues left me with a very bad taste in my mouth with denials of the problem left right and centre. For a bike obviously designed to be ridden off paved roads or even just in africa this is unacceptable. The suspension is so easily bottomed out that I had decent damage from riding a normal dirt road and hitting a bit of a bump, where my 1200GSA was fine, they did not do a warranty claim. The front rim bent and went flat instantly when I hit a rock the size of a tennis ball at about 60-70km/h, nearly causing a crash while I was riding rather slowly and carefully on a road I ride every day.  

There have been numerous little things that broke while just riding normally on washboard gravel roads, yet this is an adventure bike for the more off road rider.

When I bought the bike I told the salesman what I plan on using the bike for, and how I tend to ride over what terrain. He was adamant that the bike is perfect for what I want to do with it. After this I asked them to fit the unifilter, he once again was adamant that the airbox issues were solved on the 2014 models so he convinced me not to go that route. At 10k km when the bike wouldnt run anymore due to dust bypassing the airfilter and fucking up the motor. They told me it was just a valve clearance issue and when I mentioned I would prefer a new motor for peace of mind I was looked at as though I was crazy.

I cant trust this bike in africa like my original plan was for the bike.

Thanks.   

[silvrav]

eish, en ek kyk na n 1190....sal maar moet 2 keur dink nou

I wouldnt let this stop you.


These are forums, and forums tend to be a collection of problems and okes dont post the thousands of brilliant KMs they did, only the 3 shitty ones.


It seems the Unifilter or Rotti setup cures the airbox problems. That's a fix for that, so don't even worry about it.

Who pays for the unifilter/Rotti? Dealer or me?

eish, en ek kyk na n 1190....sal maar moet 2 keur dink nou

Do you weigh more than 110kg? Do you ride hard off road? Do you believe sales people?

If yes to two or more then dont. Otherwise its the most fun bike ever.

113ish.... and no probably wont ride like you but the day i want to i dont want to/have to think twice

[Bundu]

I will, I am going to the dealership this morning. Should be there around 11 ish. Will take pics and attempt to post via tapatalk.

which dealer? I might drop by.....

[StuartC]

There is a reason I buy Jap bikes, reliability, and no this aint a knock on the ready to race crowd my son won national titles on KTM but I seriously find the strongest bikes in just about all respects to be Japanese.

[Roadhawg]

eish, en ek kyk na n 1190....sal maar moet 2 keur dink nou

I wouldnt let this stop you.


These are forums, and forums tend to be a collection of problems and okes dont post the thousands of brilliant KMs they did, only the 3 shitty ones.


It seems the Unifilter or Rotti setup cures the airbox problems. That's a fix for that, so don't even worry about it.

Who pays for the unifilter/Rotti? Dealer or me?

eish, en ek kyk na n 1190....sal maar moet 2 keur dink nou

Do you weigh more than 110kg? Do you ride hard off road? Do you believe sales people?

If yes to two or more then dont. Otherwise its the most fun bike ever.

113ish.... and no probably wont ride like you but the day i want to i dont want to/have to think twice

I think sometimes we need to remember that it isn't a dirtbike.   It's a touring bike that can be taken onto dirt when the need arises but it's still a 230kg 150hp giant.


If you are buying a  new bike I'm sure you could negotiate a Unifilter in the deal. I paid for mine because I felt the peace of mind was worth the R1000 cost. I ight still add the new 2015 airbox bits as well.

[2wdrift]

Its at Trax KTM.



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[2wdrift]

@silvrav

I probably did about 40% of my riding on dirt, and considering it has about 24k km on the clock its a fair bit of riding hard on dirt that I did. As far as I know its the first bike this happened on (excluding manic's one but he is manic so...)
and looking at the crack I think it was a bad weld from the factory on my specific bike.

It was the most epic bike I have ever owned.  

Jammer oom manic, moenie raas met my nie...

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[2wdrift]

Oh yeah I almost forgot. KTM is sending a new frame free of charge. It should be here next friday and then its a good three days to rebuild the bike onto another frame.

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[Toffie@2]

Glad to hear it 2WD! I hope you have many happy miles to come!!

[OFFROAD FANATICS]

Oh yeah I almost forgot. KTM is sending a new frame free of charge. It should be here next friday and then its a good three days to rebuild the bike onto another frame.

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It simply is the right thing to do. Hope you have many more enjoyable kms on this bike!!!