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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2015, 01:45:22 pm »
what did the mechanics say about the dust in the throttle bodies?
maybe ask them if they can do a leak-down test

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« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2015, 02:03:07 pm »
They just gave me a knowing look, other than that they didnt say or do anything.

I am not in the mood for tests and crap. New bike or new motor, or a nice big public lawsuit.

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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2015, 11:24:04 pm »
I know of 2x1190R bikes here in PE that got new fames.


Secondly, and I'm not trying to kak on anyones head, but how many times did we talk about the DNA filter story and said IT DOES NOT CURE THE DUST PROBLEM.

But still, everybody fits them, or trusts KTM when they fit them for you......

The dust thing is not new to KTM Headoffice. I run the Unifilter, so on my 15 000km service when they opened the airbox it was CLEAN inside. The guy told me, if there is dust, they check the shimming, if its clean like mine, they dont check it.

So even the Meccies are aware of the dust story. Here in PE at least 4 engines have been swopped, and thats the ones I know about, there can be even more.

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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2015, 11:33:41 pm »
I know of 2x1190R bikes here in PE that got new fames.


Secondly, and I'm not trying to kak on anyones head, but how many times did we talk about the DNA filter story and said IT DOES NOT CURE THE DUST PROBLEM.

But still, everybody fits them, or trusts KTM when they fit them for you......

The dust thing is not new to KTM Headoffice. I run the Unifilter, so on my 15 000km service when they opened the airbox it was CLEAN inside. The guy told me, if there is dust, they check the shimming, if its clean like mine, they dont check it.

So even the Meccies are aware of the dust story. Here in PE at least 4 engines have been swopped, and thats the ones I know about, there can be even more.



Yes I was never really sure about the DNA, but I thought if there was a issue I can take them on. If I ask for a unifilter and the damage from earlier causes kak they can say its my filter or my fitment of said filter. Right now any and all of the blame falls right on them, in a court case my side will not be full of holes...
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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2015, 11:45:36 pm »
Everyone thinks like you do, saying bike has a Warranty and and and.

Just remember, KTM dont HAVE to give you a new engine, or a new bike.

If they decide to let the appy in the workshop repair with new parts, you will have to take it.

There is three R's in the Consumer Act.

Repair
Replace
Refund.

It is up to KTM to decide which R they will use, and if you dont like it,then you can take them on and hope for the best.

I did my Unifilter in the beginning, think it had something like 2000km on the clock or something, reason being, I dont want a 15mnth old bike, with a reconditioned engine in it eventually.
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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2015, 11:49:28 pm »
Everyone thinks like you do, saying bike has a Warranty and and and.

Just remember, KTM dont HAVE to give you a new engine, or a new bike.

If they decide to let the appy in the workshop repair with new parts, you will have to take it.

There is three R's in the Consumer Act.

Repair
Replace
Refund.

It is up to KTM to decide which R they will use, and if you dont like it,then you can take them on and hope for the best.

I did my Unifilter in the beginning, think it had something like 2000km on the clock or something, reason being, I dont want a 15mnth old bike, with a reconditioned engine in it eventually.
I paid for the Uni myself, and dont regret it one day  :thumleft:

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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #66 on: September 29, 2015, 03:30:37 am »
Hi guys about the damage Dust causes.

Please watch this you Tube movie "Operation Hour Glass" that was reasleased by Cummins back in the Day
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E2QKklzvBY

Its about the damage that Dust causes to engines and how much is needed to cause damage to an engine, these are old technolgie engines, so you deciede with the modern fine tolerences in modern engines this problem would be increased.
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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #67 on: September 29, 2015, 06:28:20 am »
People ride these bikes in dusty offroad conditions. SURELY the only approach is an oiled foam filter, like a dirt/rally bike?

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Re: Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #68 on: September 29, 2015, 06:35:44 am »
People ride these bikes in dusty offroad conditions. SURELY the only approach is an oiled foam filter, like a dirt/rally bike?
Paper filters are better than oiled foam filters <period>
 

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Re: Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #69 on: September 29, 2015, 07:38:53 am »
People ride these bikes in dusty offroad conditions. SURELY the only approach is an oiled foam filter, like a dirt/rally bike?
Paper filters are better than oiled foam filters <period>

Not in the 1190 scenario, you will blow that engine before 10 000km if you run the paper filter. Talking about dusty conditions.
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« Reply #70 on: September 29, 2015, 07:45:08 am »
People ride these bikes in dusty offroad conditions. SURELY the only approach is an oiled foam filter, like a dirt/rally bike?
Paper filters are better than oiled foam filters <period>

Not in the 1190 scenario, you will blow that engine before 10 000km if you run the paper filter. Talking about dusty conditions.

and you pay how much for these bikes  :pot: :pot:
 

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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #71 on: September 29, 2015, 07:47:37 am »
Netso ja, so you pay R180 000 for the bike, but refuse to pay R1000 extra so it can last. Instead you hold onto your R1000 for fuel, then blow the engine.

The ONLY problem with engine is the airbox, so sort it and you have a machine for life!

I think that R1000 is worth it  :thumleft:
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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #72 on: September 29, 2015, 07:51:09 am »
I fully agree with your logic.

I just cannot believe you pay that much money for something with a latent defect.

Not even a cheap Chinese pit bike has a leaking air filter.
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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #73 on: September 29, 2015, 07:54:33 am »
Perhaps what 2wdrift needs is one of these KTM Zimmer frames! Ha ha.

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Re: Re: Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #74 on: September 29, 2015, 09:09:47 am »
People ride these bikes in dusty offroad conditions. SURELY the only approach is an oiled foam filter, like a dirt/rally bike?
Paper filters are better than oiled foam filters <period>

Not in the 1190 scenario, you will blow that engine before 10 000km if you run the paper filter. Talking about dusty conditions.
But that is the filter not sealing against the airbox.

But paper element filters better than oiled foam (when the air passes through the filter) :D
 

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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #75 on: September 29, 2015, 09:14:02 am »


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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #76 on: September 29, 2015, 10:07:02 am »
Out of interest, what exactly is the problem on these? The airbox has cracks or leaking seals or something and lets dust in? Or the filter doesn't seal against the airbox and lets dust in? Or the dust goes straight through the filter? Got to be one of the three...

When I bought my X-Challenge some years ago (paper filter) it had dust in the inlet. Briefly switched to K&N filter (same system as DNA, right?) but that was rubbish for offroad. Got a Unifilter (oiled foam) and that was the last of my problems. Oiled foam filters work well, but you've got to treat them like a dirt bike - clean and re-oil often. And grease the flange. It's not a "fit and forget between services" item.

Now only ride dirt bikes and I'm used to changing filters every or every second ride.

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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #77 on: September 29, 2015, 10:09:49 am »
The key to the foam filter is to clean them often and keep them oiled.

On my SE I use a Rottweiler foam filter together with filter skins. I change the filter skins during the overnight stops and remove, clean and re-oil the foam filter after every dusty ride.

On the SE the Rottweiler system is very good because you can access the filter without removing the fuel tank blaa de blaa....
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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2015, 10:11:51 am »
Netso ja, so you pay R180 000 for the bike, but refuse to pay R1000 extra so it can last. Instead you hold onto your R1000 for fuel, then blow the engine.

The ONLY problem with engine is the airbox, so sort it and you have a machine for life!

I think that R1000 is worth it  :thumleft:
Well, if I pay that much for a bike, am I unreasonable in expecting that the airbox should function 100% at all times? Isn't this the same as saying - buy the bike, but before you ride it sort the airbox otherwise your engine will not last, and the bike is not fit for purpose without it.
 

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Re: 1190R Broken Frame
« Reply #79 on: September 29, 2015, 10:15:07 am »
Netso ja, so you pay R180 000 for the bike, but refuse to pay R1000 extra so it can last. Instead you hold onto your R1000 for fuel, then blow the engine.

The ONLY problem with engine is the airbox, so sort it and you have a machine for life!

I think that R1000 is worth it  :thumleft:
Well, if I pay that much for a bike, am I unreasonable in expecting that the airbox should function 100% at all times? Isn't this the same as saying - buy the bike, but before you ride it sort the airbox otherwise your engine will not last, and the bike is not fit for purpose without it.

The problem is that these bikes are not really designed for our African conditions, where we have endless dirt roads. As owners we need to appreciate this and make sure the air filter is doing its job and not allowing the dust in.
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