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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2015, 03:11:53 pm »
Pasop maar vir die 690. Daar is bitter min wat nog nie stofgesuig het nie en ktm doen niks aan die probleem nie selde as 1190.
Hul moes al van dag 1 af airbox recall gedoen het of teminste se jy moet n ander plan maak.


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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2015, 03:37:18 pm »
Thanks Dirt! That's a good read!!!
 

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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2015, 03:42:35 pm »
met n ralley kit?
Nee sonder rally kit met wings pyp en bashplate


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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2015, 03:45:51 pm »
Something to think about...
When you complain, you make yourself a victim. Leave the situation, change the situation, or accept your it. All else is madness.

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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2015, 03:48:50 pm »
Pasop maar vir die 690. Daar is bitter min wat nog nie stofgesuig het nie en ktm doen niks aan die probleem nie selde as 1190.
Hul moes al van dag 1 af airbox recall gedoen het of teminste se jy moet n ander plan maak.
Dit lyk nie asof stof innie airbox 'n issue is nie.
Daai ou het dan oor die 100K Km op daai 690 gesit, no problem


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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2015, 03:53:51 pm »
Hyt seker vani begin af n unifilter ingesit.


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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2015, 03:57:51 pm »
Dont shoot the messenger.
As similar as the post about the 690 that done a lot of mileage...even though he did fix a lot of things... there are MANY like these.

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/ktm-690-e-help.1094547/

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2014-690-smcr.1095604/


I'm seriously looking at a 690, but imho FROM WHAT I READ all over the internet - they CAN have issues with rocker arms,  rocker bearings (very likely) and fuel pumps. In the last 3 months  I've probably read every post on ADV rider on the KTM 690.
So imho your decision will be based on if it has 40 000km's  then for the price, if the rocker arms and/or bearing does need fixing. Will that still be a good deal?
This is the decision I'm faced with now. It's such a niche bike actually, and such a good bike...the question is a serious one. Do you buy it and ride it for what it is... a race ready, enduro bike thats powerful AND lightweight. BUT have a potential that it can cough op the bearings / rockers. If it doesnt it's even better.
 I dont think it will cost too much if you fix it yourself if/when it does, BUT KTM seems notorious for having you wait while parts are order. Mate with a KTM 200 was riding a loaner 1190 for over a month. Can't argue that he had a nice upgrade for that month though. So not bad from the dealer at all but will that always be the case?

I'm almost inclined to buy a KTM 690, and buy rocker arm, bearings with it, if i never have to use it great. If i do..well I wont be without a bike for a month.

All other potential issues with this bike can be solved / prevented imho.



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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2015, 04:11:44 pm »
Sensible post and all but replacing rockers is an afternoon jobbie. <minor issue IMO

Kak comes in if the previous owner was following the suggested maintenance routines, using a stock airfilter, which has been proven to allow dust into the motor.
I know of a couple 690's that needed top end work before 15K Km, due to either oil consumption or blown motors.

But hey, I never owned a 690 so my "research" counts for nothing.
Like I suggested, he should go for it, it's his money.
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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2015, 04:31:01 pm »
Sensible post and all but replacing rockers is an afternoon jobbie. <minor issue IMO

Kak comes in if the previous owner was following the suggested maintenance routines, using a stock airfilter, which has been proven to allow dust into the motor.
I know of a couple 690's that needed top end work before 15K Km, due to either oil consumption or blown motors.

But hey, I never owned a 690 so my "research" counts for nothing.
Like I suggested, he should go for it, it's his money.

Yeah, read about on that as well, not good either. But...every bike not maintained will have issues. Even a Honda Africa Twin or KLR.
Although, you wont expect to buy that bike new then having to spend more bucks on additional airfilters, sealing it with silicone, fitting an exhaust that does not melt the indicator, re positioning the wiring and doing the tank bolts, sealing the instrument cluster (also an issue on the XChallenge/XCountry I read).  So probably better to buy a pre-owned one where they previous owner did this...then you know you are getting a sorted one. if the previous owner didn't do these you know you will have to. i.e Easy to see if it's maintained well or not.



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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2015, 04:50:48 pm »
Good point.
I would consider doing a compression test before buying
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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2015, 09:14:45 pm »
2 things Wolf:

1.  Doing a compression test will be really difficult.  It has a compression release that will remain open while cranking showing very little compression.  It can be defeated, but then the starter will not swing the engine.  A leak-down test is the only option.

2.  Its only the intake rockers that fail.  Mine was R640 when I ordered one a while ago.  I can change it in 45 min (but you must catch it before I stuffs the cam).  Of course, you need to change the valve shims as well.  That might take another hour unless you are lucky.  Obviously you must have the shim set to DIY.  I took everything along on Amageza...
 

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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2015, 09:19:03 pm »
That said, if it has more than 15000 km on the clock, I will negotiate at least R15k off to accommodate a top-end rebuild.  It might never need it, but it might.  I will not buy one with 40 000 km on the clock, because its simply not needed.  If no choice, I would pay R45 - 50k for it. I'm serious.
 

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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2015, 11:02:09 pm »
Thanks guys! There are allot of valid points mentioned here especially where said that the initial owner potentially corrected all the nitty gritties for me, but now also said that one wouldnt really buy a 690 with that many km on the clock....mmmmmmmm even with the rally kit installed? ill go check the bike out as I have not even seen it myself.
 

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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2015, 05:08:15 am »
Don't get blinded by the rally kit and forget to realistically assess thr bikes value. A stock 690 with 40k on the clock is not a huge seller. Take what you'd pay for the stock bike and add 10-15 or so for the kit, not replacement cost, which is what some sellers tend to charge. Rally kit is great for long distance but keep in mind that it adds another thing that can give issues. I've said from the start that I'd do a full rebuild on my bike on 50 000kms. Whether it's needed remains to be seen. I changed filter since new and service my bike every 5000kms to be safe. No issues to speak of so far other than with some of the aftermarket bits
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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2015, 09:25:25 am »
Don't get blinded by the rally kit and forget to realistically assess thr bikes value. A stock 690 with 40k on the clock is not a huge seller. Take what you'd pay for the stock bike and add 10-15 or so for the kit, not replacement cost, which is what some sellers tend to charge. Rally kit is great for long distance but keep in mind that it adds another thing that can give issues. I've said from the start that I'd do a full rebuild on my bike on 50 000kms. Whether it's needed remains to be seen. I changed filter since new and service my bike every 5000kms to be safe. No issues to speak of so far other than with some of the aftermarket bits

Dwerg do you want to do a rebuild as you race it,or would you recommend that for any 690?  i mean in general bike terms 40 000km, as from the original OP, is not a lot on any other bike except pure Enduro (Plastic bikes).  Transalps, Vstroms  F800's, F650's etc with 100 000km - 400 000km's on without needing rebuilds and stuff. Looking at this thread there are plenty of bikes over 100 000km trouble free km's  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=82470.0

Basically the question is why on your 690 will you want to do a rebuild every 50 000km. What is your concern on that mileage?

R640 for the intake rockers does not seem like a lot. Although if you don't do it yourself the price will probably be a LOT more expensive since the engine will need to be removed and split correct?
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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2015, 09:48:03 am »
IIRC, he stated somewhere that his bike started using a bit of oil.
He can probably stretch it quite a bit further (it depends): on some enduro 4T's, I've seen bikes use more and more oil over time and the owner can basically stretch that inevitable rebuild up to a point.
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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2015, 10:54:49 am »
Dwerg do you want to do a rebuild as you race it,or would you recommend that for any 690?  i mean in general bike terms 40 000km, as from the original OP, is not a lot on any other bike except pure Enduro (Plastic bikes).  Transalps, Vstroms  F800's, F650's etc with 100 000km - 400 000km's on without needing rebuilds and stuff. Looking at this thread there are plenty of bikes over 100 000km trouble free km's  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=82470.0

Basically the question is why on your 690 will you want to do a rebuild every 50 000km. What is your concern on that mileage?

R640 for the intake rockers does not seem like a lot. Although if you don't do it yourself the price will probably be a LOT more expensive since the engine will need to be removed and split correct?

No specific concern but I don't baby my bike and a rebuild might be only for my own peace of mind. It might also have something to do with the 640's notoriety for popping something at around 50k  :biggrin:

Pulling out that mileage thread is not comparing things in context. I don't rack up a lot of 'easy' mileage while commuting or doing long tours at highway speed. My bike gets dirty and ridden hard pretty much every time it's started. How many Amageza's has Bill's and other 690's completed? 3? 4? Do that plus a few months training per year on your average DS bike and the mileage vs repairs stats would look a little different. But I suppose if you use it as a normal touring DS bike it would last a very long time

IIRC, he stated somewhere that his bike started using a bit of oil.
He can probably stretch it quite a bit further (it depends): on some enduro 4T's, I've seen bikes use more and more oil over time and the owner can basically stretch that inevitable rebuild up to a point.

Do you think 500ml in 10 000kms qualifies as 'using oil' considering the application?
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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2015, 11:55:24 am »
Don't get blinded by the rally kit and forget to realistically assess thr bikes value. A stock 690 with 40k on the clock is not a huge seller. Take what you'd pay for the stock bike and add 10-15 or so for the kit, not replacement cost, which is what some sellers tend to charge. Rally kit is great for long distance but keep in mind that it adds another thing that can give issues. I've said from the start that I'd do a full rebuild on my bike on 50 000kms. Whether it's needed remains to be seen. I changed filter since new and service my bike every 5000kms to be safe. No issues to speak of so far other than with some of the aftermarket bits

Dwerg do you want to do a rebuild as you race it,or would you recommend that for any 690?  i mean in general bike terms 40 000km, as from the original OP, is not a lot on any other bike except pure Enduro (Plastic bikes).  Transalps, Vstroms  F800's, F650's etc with 100 000km - 400 000km's on without needing rebuilds and stuff. Looking at this thread there are plenty of bikes over 100 000km trouble free km's  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=82470.0

Basically the question is why on your 690 will you want to do a rebuild every 50 000km. What is your concern on that mileage?

R640 for the intake rockers does not seem like a lot. Although if you don't do it yourself the price will probably be a LOT more expensive since the engine will need to be removed and split correct?


To replace the intake rockers, you pull the airbox, remove 4 bolts to take of the tappet cover.  Set TDC (very easy on this bike).  Remove the 2 bolts that hold the rocker shaft in place.  Use 1 bolt to pull out the shaft through the convenient hole. Lift out the intake rocker and replace.  Reverse.  Nothing to split.  If you ever set valve clearances, you remove the rocker arms a couple of times to change the shims.  You also inspect the bearing that runs on the cam and you can feel the roughness if it needs replacement.

Rocker arm is now $75, so the price is up a bit.  Still nothing major.  Maybe KTM is making some bucks on this...
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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2015, 12:15:00 pm »
Do you think 500ml in 10 000kms qualifies as 'using oil' considering the application?
I have seen much worse  >:D
I would just keep an eye on it, specifically to check if the usage starts to increase.
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Re: KTM 690 R Engine lifetime
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2015, 12:24:23 pm »
Do you think 500ml in 10 000kms qualifies as 'using oil' considering the application?
I have seen much worse  >:D
I would just keep an eye on it, specifically to check if the usage starts to increase.

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It hasn't needed oil since the last service so it doesn't appear to be increasing

EDIT: Sorry mileage was closer to 6000, forgot about the one service
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